Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)

[LonePredator]

(04-30-2022, 12:47 AM)LoveAnimals Wrote:

(04-29-2022, 10:25 PM)LonePredator Wrote: It may convince you but this seems very wrong to me if the 230cm was over the curves, then I would say this weight is completely wrong. Maybe the scale was messed up or something but this seems extremely unlikely. This case is just like the 389kg claim for the Smithsonian Tiger.

No it doesn't convince me, Guate just ended my doubt about 230 cm long so all we know about this leopard is nothing except the weight, and I do consider it reliable for 2 various reasons :

Visual comparison, I was actually impressed by using this method because I've always believed that a 90+ kg animal would always look so "GIANT" but it's not always the case, an animal with a large frame can weigh just as much if not even less than an animal with a smaller frame (example cougar and leopard when compared to wolves, the wolves can be 11 cm taller on max yet they can weigh 30 + kg less)

Also, one thing is to never underrate bone density, but that may just be me.

Returning to visual comparison, I will show you jaguars that have weighed 90-100 kg


90 kg male from North America 

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91.2 kg Karol female

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95 kg teorema

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Now a 100 kg jaguar 

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Do they look really that large? Some maybe yes, but at first the last jaguar and maybe Teorema may not look to weigh in the 100 kg range yet they DO weigh that much


Now let's compare some similar positions


91.2 kg karol

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The leopard

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95 kg teorema

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The leopard

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The 90 kg jaguar 

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The leopard.

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The 100 kg jaguar 

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The leopard 

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Now let's go to a larger jaguar, which is 100 kg empty and is theoretically 5 kg larger than the leopard, which isn't a huge difference, they would almost look identical in size. 
This is the image with the legs and feet of the man standing close to it (I marked the feet birders so you can see them easier)

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The leopard, it's 100% comparable although the leopard is not as close to the feet as the jaguar 

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We also have 100% scientific confirmation the leopard weighed that much, so at this point is just you showing your opinion on why to you it is not that large, because it is confirmed and officially to be that large. 
FYI, even Balam, the reasonable person you completely wrongly claimed to be a biased anti-leopard jaguar fan (I won't even continue all of this, we've just had a fight with Yusuf so I don't want to start a new one immediately) does buy that weight and consider it reliable so again it's confirmed, people who doubt it are just going against what's confirmed. 


Learn to differentiate personal opinions from objective ones, the examples I can make go on


Does this leopard look 85 kg to you? 

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Yet it is verified to be that heavy

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(04-29-2022, 10:25 PM)LonePredator Wrote: Maybe the scale was messed up

You're seriously doubting the scale used by scientists that used actually that scale several times in different periods of time? Don't you think that they would have acknowledged if the scale was guilty? Also these aren't "random Instagram people", it's scientists and members of a conservation project and you have several of them confirming that weight.

Here the official persian leopard project page, made up by several researchers and vets that confirms the weight. 

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Here Mohammad Farhadinia, debunking the idea of the 115 kg leopard and saying the original report was 95 kg. 

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Here is Kaveh Hatami who also works for Persian leopards conservation also confirming that weight

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you have the vets that were present there who confirm that after weighing the cat of course 

So now? Do you have again any doubts regarding the leopard to be around 95 kg? I guess yes, years pass but you're so solid to your own idea despite all the massive evidence telling you're wrong in doubting that (vets and researchers of the project confirming the weight for you is dubious) but so I can't do anything to convince you more than this.
 
Although you can't get a better evidence than this and that anyone who is educated in size comparisons can see how the leopard compared to the other 91-95 kg Jaguars. 

I can't do much if you can't accept that. 
Fact is that the leopard DOES weigh 95 kg. End of story. Nothing dubious.

Look my friend. I NEVER said that a 105kg Leopard is impossible. I repeat, I NEVER said that. Please go and read my comment once again.

BUT what I did say is that you said 230cm was it’s total length. Now in such a case if the head-body length was 73% of the total length, then 95-100kg is more likely and then my estimate was that the 105kg weight must have been with stomach content. I used a simple body length equation and that is how I made these estimates.

BUT THEN, pckts said that the 230cm was over the curves length and in such a case where 230cm is over the curves, then the 105kg weight is EXTREMELY unlikely unless the Jaguar was very bulky or fat which it didn’t look like so ONLY IN THIS CASE, the 105kg weight seemed wrong to me.

But now you are saying that 230cm length itself was wrong, then all that I was saying was itself based on the 230cm length and later it got changed to over curves and then later you even said the length is false.

So when the length you gave was wrong itself then why do you blame me? I made all my estimates just from that length only my friend so you should blame that wrong figure of 230cm not me because I was NOT wrong about anything that I said. Reply