Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)

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(02-07-2022, 11:07 PM)Pckts Wrote: TBH they don't look like anything special to me.
This male for comparison was said to be 70kg

That would make totally sense if that male was weighed to be just 70 kg, thing it wasn't as that's just a visual estimate. 
The "Said to be" doesn't give us an idea of how it really weighed as visual estimates are never going to be real good ones (same reason why I said "in my opinion these are 90-100+"). 

It also should be noted that the original source said "at least 70 kgs", aka that 70 kg would be likely a LOW estimate because anyone knows that (at least) means it could have weighed more. 

Now if you are using this visual estimate of that "at least 70 kg male" as a kind of proof then you should 100% agree with Vin Diesel being 97 kg, as that wasn't actually just "visual estimated" by a photographer but weighed twice by the rangers, once 84 kgish and later 97 kgish. 

The same thing can be said for that 95 kg (wrongly said to be 115 kg) male that didn't look anything close to 90 kg from that angle when it was lying on the table for the vets to control him. Whereas in another angle it looked perfectly the same size as that unfortunate and unlucky 94 kg jaguar that was sadly ran over by a truck. But at first sight, that leopard looked nothing close to 90+ kgs right? But it did weigh that much. And it was almost 100 kg. So again, the 95 kg leopard thing is the proof that visual estimates can be totally off, both in a way that favors my claim both in a way that could go against my claim. Hence why I always say "in my opinion" 

I could do this comparison with an actually weighed 80+ kg male, Mawenzi. He was in fact weighed to be a whooping 83 kg making him the largest living male in the whole Okonjima reserve although historically another male beats him for 1 kg more. 

Anyway, here's 83 kg Mawenzi :

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I'm sorry but no way on earth these males are going to be lighter than him, their bodies are too bulky and almost bloated to be estimated at around 70 kgs, as Mawenzi doesn't look as massive as them. 

Now here's an actually weighed 88 kg male, which is literally around 90 kg. 

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He's massive and bulky, you're telling me that those males aren't at least in his tier? 


 Now with the long fur coat claim, it's not like with tibetan mastiffs that are for real the animals that have a so extremely long coat and fluffy body hair that makes them way larger than they are, because their body shapes aren't visible because of the fluffy coat that makes their torso, back and shoulders invisible. 

With cats it's different, you can CLEARLY see the enormous body of the leopard and its shape, also when it lays down the cat has skin folds and the edges of the belly and torso that follow precise curves when resting on the ground, confirming that it is definitely body mass and probably also a little of fat instead of "just hair". 

 It also should be noted that cats that live in cold habitats have fat accumulation, thing that happens in siberian tigers, Amur leopards and Canadian-Patagonia cougars. So I'm pretty sure it's also a bit of fat, rather than its massive appearance. 

To compare, this is estimated 95-100 kg Dark from Patagonia and 110 kg estimated El Loco always from Patagonia, they are estimates yes but looks everyone on these forums sees them as reliable, so do I.

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Now a weighed (not estimated) 99 kg record male from Alberta

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Sorry but if these cougars are for real 90-100+ kgs then anyone who says these leopards are nothing special must lack glasses, or probably lives in some weird fantasy. 

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The last images show how big its frame is, damn

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Looks almost a captive overfed cat,
To me, they are easily over 90 kg. The fact that there are just 550+ persian leopards maybe 800+ at best and that we have already found 3/4 males over 90 kg and several ones in the 75-88 kg range the chances of approaching 100+ kg males are very well possible.
If these leopards look like 70 kgs then what will a 90+ kg one look like? Godzilla sized?
You must be seriously overrating how impressive an average specimen looks like to say that male is just 70 kg. It's DEFINITELY well over the average size.
Of course my estimate is just my personal take and I'm not sharing that as a sheer fact, it's my opinion. What is not my opinion and I think it's a fact (shared by many) is that the leopards I've sent are nothing compared to a typical 65-70 kg leopard

They don't differ imo too much (in build) from this estimated 90-100 kg male from the Aberdares. 

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