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11-03-2015, 10:45 PM( This post was last modified: 11-04-2015, 12:06 AM by Pckts )
"Tigers are by no scientific measures more agile than lions, lions are conclusively faster runners than all big cats except cheetahs ( Dr. Luke Hunter in African cats), male lions were clocked at 51 km/hour and 54km/hour and male tigers are estimated to be of comparable range with no actual measured speed.
Tigresses are estimated to run at 60 Km/hour yet lionesses in ngorongoro crater were clocked at 20 meters per second ( 72 km/hour) by Canadian biologist Robertson in 1976 for up to 200 meters.
I have seen wild lions catch leopards that had 10 meters head start, and captive lions catching tigers with similar head start.
Forset cats are superior jumpers and woodland cats are superior runners and all are incredibly agile. And even a massive male lion or tiger that runs at 50 km/ hour is time and a half faster than Usain Bolt.
Tigers have evolved with bears and are well adapted to handle them, they know which bears could be potential food, which bears could be potential scavenging thieves, and which bears could pose mortal danger....and it is all about the individual experience of the particular tiger...Charger a male tiger in central India readily killed sloth bears, where there are photos of a sloth bear chasing a courting couple of Bengal tigers, a male and a female, Dale a 180 kg Amur tiger specialized in killing brown bears yet larger tigers than Dale gave up their kills to 100 kg Asiatic black bears!!!
The individual experience is quite amazing. "
@DrPanthera
Don't forget the male from Ranth. who killed the Mother sloth and her cub, Khara Ghati (SP was his name I believe) he is dead now, unfortunately. There is a video of that as well, if you'd like to watch on youtube.
There is actually quite a bit of evidence that suggests tigers being more agile than lions, whether its Jon Varty or others, like Proske who have said that the Lion is not capable of the same athletic feats as the tiger, it specifically comes down to leaping ability and bipedal agility, from what I have seen. So at least I have seen experts who are familiar with both say this, as well as another study on the tigers more powerful joint muscles compared to the lion. ("2 magnificent males") according to the study. I can post the entire pdf if you are unfamiliar with it?
On the flip side, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that suggests a lion is fast than a tiger, nor have a read a single expert of both saying this either. A lion catching a leopard could come down to many factors, surprise, specific leopard etc.
I have seen a lion catch a cheetah, but that certainly doesn't mean they are faster, it takes time to get a head of steam and to go from a prone position to a running one. I have also seen lions being outrun by cheetah and leopard even when having a full head of steam and the cheetah/leopard starting from a prone position or a stand still.
I have also seen tigers completely outrun lions, jaguars and leopards as well. BlackjaguarWhiteTiger foundation, look up the big pride and Watch Tierra the tigress, she outruns every lion, tiger, jaguar and leopard on a regular basis. She also leaps over them, makes sharper cuts and appears to be significantly more agile.
So "estimated" compared to "clocked" hold no weight in a scientific sense, another flaw when choosing that as an example is physical exertion. When clocking or estimating, you have no idea what the % of energy the animal is putting out, so its not reasonable to say one specific animal was clocked at this speed so no other tiger could reach it.