Jaguars of Brazil - Dynamics,Lifestyle,Datas,Studies,Reports

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(11-09-2020, 11:59 PM)Balam Wrote:

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(11-06-2020, 07:40 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:

(11-06-2020, 06:31 PM)Balam Wrote: The first video shows Edno approaching the two siblings, gives more content of the interaction:

• I love how Edno comes out of the water and the two siblings appear unfazed while he approaches them, jaguars truly are the navy seals of the cat world.

• I don't think Edno had any intentions of mating with the young female, rather he approached them to investigate who they were. We don't know if the two siblings were inside his territory or whether they were close to it. My guess is that Edno wanted to establish himself as dominant over them but at the same time didn't see them as threat, so he wasn't too rough.

• I'm still amazed by the courage of this young female to face Edno the way she did. 

Yes Balam I also think Edno's intention was for dominance porposes on the interaction as a warning to and let Daryl and Constantine know who's boss in that area.

He scent marked and walked away like a boss.

But Daryl and Constantine did really good on the interaction.

Nice that finally some footage from the end. Still odd, that no-one can put a bit longer clips, now it´s like a glimpse from here and there. It would be very interesting to see last minute or two unedited footage since it´s clear that someone has this whole interaction filmed. Youngsters did good nevertheless. Then again this again show why it´s always good to see video clips and not take for granted what guides tell. And if no real proof, guides aren´t too reliable sources, when they make big claims with no proof whatsoever, which happens quite often.

Even though it´s now clear, that Edno wasn´t running as guide told, I still wait if one day there is some decent video footage showing more than glimpses from here and there. Even after all seen so far now, this remains an interesting case with some blank spots..

It's all there, there are small gaps which are from uploading but it's easy enough to put 2 and 2 together. 

-Edno swims up
-Female submits then male
-Edno swipes at female 
-Edno makes a quick attack on the female then comes back to the male in which he submits 
-Edno seems to see no threat, rolls over and rubs his body on the dirt
-Edno walks off marking territory 

In regards to guides, you need to take translations with a grain of salt. They may explain things that don't necessarily translate perfectly and answering questions with a sentence or two on IG isn't the same as having a direct conversation and gaining clarity with follow up questions.

Nice that it´s all there for you, but I hope to see more to get some more answers, because this is very interesting incident and now shared glimpses give only part of the story and most important parts which I would like to see are missing.

What comes to guides, I always take their stories with grain of salt. Not translations which were in this case accurate. Guide said clearly, that Edno was kicked out/ran away. Nothing wrong in translation which I confirmed from two Brazilian people. Guides sometimes give weights which are very odd when comparing to known ones from scientific sources and so on. Also when people ask clarifications they can give "interesting" answers when comparing to it, what can be seen on video clips. It can be sometimes difficult for them to change their stories when they have already exaggerated something. That´s why I prefer always scientific sources most reliable with actual unedited filmings. Guides know a lot, but how accurate they are when they make claims is something else as this case showed once again at least partially. 

But it looks like, that from this case new clips are shared every now and then, maybe soon whole incident can be watched from start to finish.

Again, nowhere in the Portuguese text does it states that Edno ran away. @Dark Jaguar look at the Instagram comments scrolling a few pages back and tell us what it said since he won't believe my words.

I don´t believe your words, because two Brazilian people translated the text to me. Both separately not even knowing this case. One said, that it can be translated, that ran away, was kicked off or was evicted.

This is what other Brazilian wrote to me when I sent that text: "There was a couple together when a third one, another man arrived. That couple put this man to to run away from there even being much bigger"
Neither of these people didn´t know what that text was abot, that´s why this direct quote use the word man.

So you don´t speak Portuguese yourself then?

I do, you don't, so if you cannot accept what I'm saying then let's see Dark Jaguar's opinion.

You do? And still you disagree with two people, who I know 100% sure to be Brazilian, born there and living there, interesting. I know what @dark jaguar say because I have discussed with him too about this case privately. 

When translating something here, it should be always honest, even if not liking the text. In this case if not liking the text, then blame to that guide, not to clear translations. As said, this can be translated in a bit different ways, but still that text tells overall, that Edno was made to go away. Now video show, that truth is more calm than what guide wrote, but there is no misunderstanding in it what text tells. 

Without any photos or videos and knowledge which jaguars, based solely to that text we would be discussing here about a case in which a pair of jaguars forced bigger one to flee. If you deny it, then I have serious doubts about it, that do you really speak Portuguese. Reply