Jaguars of Brazil - Dynamics,Lifestyle,Datas,Studies,Reports

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(07-09-2020, 01:15 AM)Pckts Wrote:

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(07-08-2020, 10:53 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: Some relatively good news about Tiago, post mortem examination revealed that he wasn't poached but was killed by another jaguar.

Leandro brought a jaguar specialist in post mortem analysis to try to determine the cause of Tiago's death, and he realized that Tiago was missing some vertebrae behind the skull which is characteristic of jaguar predation:

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They then brought in a Jaguar from Pantanal who had been previously killed by another jaguar to examine the marks in its skull that lead to its death and compare it to Tiago's:

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They speculated that Rogerio male could be the male that killed Tiago as they crossed paths multiple times in the past which could've led to a deadly altercation:

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But they also said that it was likely that it could've been another male that hasn't been tracked who did the killing, they reiterated that for a jaguar to kill another the size of Tiago it must have been huge, and let's remember Tiago was pretty big himself.

The killing by another jaguar also explains why his carcass was voided of flesh only within 24 hours after his death. The other jaguar must have consumed his flesh, turning this into an episode of predation and cannibalism.

Despite what some people have said in the past, Leandro clarified that jaguars are very territorial animals and they usually avoid running into each other because confrontations between them tend to turn deadly. When they fight they go all in and for the kill.

I dont buy it, where did his canines go if that's the case?

Some of his canines had already broken off when he was alive and captured the last time, they said that it could've costed him being able to hunt and properly defend himself as well.

Broken is one thing but missing is another. Even when broken or worn down, the root will always remain unless completely knocked out which is very rare.
Another bad sign is the fact that both lower and upper are completely missing.

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It was his words that the teeth were missing due to natural causes, which isn't unusual in big cats, often times when they fight they will lose a canine from the root, similar things can happen when hunting a large animal:

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Matchli lost her teeth similarly hunting that mugger crocodile and if you revisit the video of him in the cage you will be able to tell he was already missing those canines. Also, the marks of the postmodern exam on the vertebrae behind the skull are conclusive of being broken by another large felid, poachers when hunting will usually shoot the animal, not carefully break their nape.

That is literally the only big cat you can find with it's entire gum and tooth knocked out and that was because tooth and piece of his jaw were broken off, that's why his canine stayed. 
Machli lost her teeth due to old age and her roots were still intact

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even when they have their canines knocked out, they usually still maintain their roots

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That wasn't the only picture, this one shows a lion losing his teeth from the root without leaving a remnant:

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And poaching also doesn't explain how Tiago lost his flesh is such a short amount of time or how his nape and vertebrae were broken in a classical jaguar hunting style. It's pretty clear that it was due to predation by another jaguar as stated by the biologist who performed the examination.

It's the same Lion.
And you really don't know what happen to his vertebrae or if you even see it right?
A bullet or machete could damage the vertebrae as well. You have to be careful taking this literally, a lot of these people have ulterior motives. I'm not saying that is the case here but I'm not saying it isn't either.

Also, I'm not sure what a loss of flesh would have to do with or without poaching?
Either he is skinned or decayed, but a tell tale sign of Poaching is the removal of Canines and Claws.
Do you know if he's shown his claws intact yet?

It's not the same lion:

I saw this lion and his brother 2 days after his tooth ripped out & his brother had no battle wounds .

What I believed happened to this boy and his “pretty boy” brother pulled down a fully grown male giraffe & this male with the now hanging tooth had the roll of jumping onto the giraffes hindquarters, clinging on with not only his sharp claws but with his canines assisted by his powerful jaw. His brother would of been the one either trying to tackle the giraffes legs or get up onto its back and try and pull its neck down to make the giraffe fall down

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The people who did the examination are biologists trying to protect these jaguars, they don't have ulterior motives. It's highly unlikely that a human with a machete could've caused that wound as a person must have to get pretty close to the jaguar to land a killing hit and break his nape, most poachers won't even take the risk of going to hunt with a machete, they use guns. And the reason why I speak of the decaying body is because it was decomposed in a very short amount of time with no sign of actual skinning as some of the fur was still found alongside the bones, which suggest a probable consumption of the flesh by the other jaguar. They didn't say anything about claws, I'm not sure if they retrieved the entire skeleton. Reply