BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE

[Pckts]

(04-25-2020, 09:36 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 07:21 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 05:51 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 04:25 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:16 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:11 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: "The tiger lowers its head and sticks to the ground which is typical submissive behavior. " No, submission is different, much different. See that picture with body postures above. When tiger flattes body to the ground, he is on alert, awaiting an attack. Which makes sense in context of the situation. And when he finally lies on the ground, his message is "leave me alone". But the lion did not respect that, so the tiger chased him away...so what submission? 

Ok I'm not gonna start another lion vs tiger endless back and forth on here.

But lowering the head and sticking to the ground is classical submissive behavior, the tiger is not looking to attack otherwise it would be standing up with its shoulders high and his head straight to accept the challenge. The lion in that video also has a problem with his hind legs and even with that, it fended off nicely in standing position against the tiger. That is my conclusion about that video.

Not always, especially in a Tigers case.

Here you see both Umarpani and Jamuntoli sticking close to the ground before fighting.

That video actually solidified my point, the larger tiger is clearly dominant over the other one, they both stand in a neutral position in the ground before the tigress gets close to the larger one (which I'm guessing is Umarpani) and his instincts drive him to fight the other male that is lying on the ground submissive. The smaller male never initiates the fight from its lying down position, he only does it to defend himself. 


After the altercation the male that was already submissive returns to its position by sticking to the ground  showing a clear power dynamic between the two.

You're actually wrong, Umarpani is the one who is laying down the whole time and he is also the larger tiger and won the fight. Jamuntola wasn't seen in Mukki after that while Umarpani was and fought with T50, an even larger tiger than he shortly after this incident.

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Infact that fight lasted almost 2 days on and off as well, showing the body position you claim to read is deceiving and neither was giving up any time soon.

I don't follow these tigers so not knowing their names is irrelevant here. On that clip you showed Umarpani was submissive, tigers will fight for days but one will have the upper hand over the other. Based on that specific clip we can see one tiger submit to another based on their body language, the whole outcome of the fight is a different story and not what I'm arguing here.

Umarpani throws him on the ground in this encounter, both size each other up then sit back down.
There is no submission, no rolling over to a defensive position. Reply