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German Shepherd and Rottweiler behavior - Siegfried - 05-10-2014
This video raises two questions to me. I will address them both.
Question 1: Why is this video not considered dog fighting which would be flagged as animal abuse on youtube?
While there is obvious aggression in the video, as the title suggests it is about canine dominance. This is certainly a worthy topic of study. Just as there is much nudity on youtube, there is no pornography.
Question 2: What is the rationale for posting it in a wildlife forum?
The most basic instinctual behavior of the subspecies canis lupus familiaris is no doubt identical to their wild cousins the gray wolf.
RE: Interesting - Apollo - 05-10-2014
Its a male GSD and a female Rott.
RE: Interesting - Siegfried - 05-10-2014
I think they are both neutered males. Could of sworn I saw male genitalia on the rottweiler as well. I could be wrong though.
Edit: Read the description on youtube. It uses "he" in reference to the rottweiler.
RE: Interesting - sanjay - 05-10-2014
I think this is normal video.. Not much related to dog fight.
BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - peter - 03-16-2020
a - Introduction
Those visiting this forum for the first time most probably start at the top of the home page. When they do, chances are they'll read wild animals will be respected and heard over here. Although it's one of the aims those who started the forum, a closer look will reveal there's no communication or body language thread. The time to start one has arrived, that is.
b - Thread purpose
Animals communicate in a different way than we do. Or do they?
When humans communicate to each other, they talk. At least, that's what most of us think. Research, however, suggests vital information between humans is transmitted in another way. I'm not saying we, like animals, use body language to communicate to other humans, but then maybe we are. Much more than we think so. The intention of this thread is to get to information on the way animals communicate and interact.
c - How to start
Captive animals are close to us. Those who know them wrote about their experiences. Assuming they, communicationwise, are no different from their wild relatives, I get to three good reasons to start this thread with captive animals.
d - Big cats
Those interested in big cats can post as well, as long as they remember this thread isn't about big cats only. It's about all animals and the way they use body language to communicate and interact. Members exclusively interested in big cats and big cat trainers, if interested in details, can continue in the trainer and circus thread.
e - Circuses
Talking about circuses. Most of you no doubt know circuses are not allowed to use exotic animals like big cats anymore. This means it's very likely knowledge will be lost. Not what we want. If you find good information, feel free to post it.
f - Pets
Anything goes, as long as it results in good information.
g - To conclude
At some stage, we'll have to get to conclusions. Remember there's a difference between observations at the level of individuals and observations at the level of, for instance, species. We're interested in both, but in the end it's about more insight into the world of animals.
Good luck, Peter.
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Amnon242 - 03-16-2020
Excellent topic!
I think this could be quite usefull..
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Amnon242 - 03-17-2020
what does the tiger say in 0:18?
a) please dont hurt me master
b) leave me alone
c) peace
d) anything else?
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Dennis - 03-18-2020
(03-16-2020, 01:02 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Excellent topic!
I think this could be quite usefull..
On big cats (defensive and submissive behavior).
https://books.google.com/books?id=ja7nCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA51&dq=Schaller,+submission+in+lions,+behavior,+tigers&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzhuHT5OriAhWFnOAKHRrfBOgQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
I posted this in another thread
"..Leyhausen also indicated that aggression in felids is more regulated by effective defenses than responsive to the submission signals that are quite effective in reducing intra-group fighting in many canid species, such as wolves and dogs.. By selecting animals and arranging situations, Leyhausen was able to polarize attack and defensive behaviors in domesticated cat subjects, or, alternatively, to maximize attack motivations for both combatants. In a highly polarized attack-defend situation, the attacker stands tall and advances directly toward the victim while emitting low growls. The defending animal crouches down, or, with a mixture of aggressive and fearful motives, may assume the classic “Halloween cat” stance with arched back, and erected hairs. As the attacker approaches contact, the defending animal may assume a contorted posture, half on its back but facing the other cat, enabling both fore- and hindpaws to be drawn up and opposed to the oncoming attacker. This stance conceals the nape, the major target site for intraspecific offensive attack.. However, when both animals are highly motivated to attack, a frontal approach is typically utilized by both, resulting in animals facing each other and delivering forepaw blows largely toward the head and neck of the other."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2814555/
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Rishi - 03-18-2020
(03-17-2020, 03:59 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: what does the tiger say in 0:18?
a) please dont hurt me master
b) leave me alone
c) peace
d) anything else?
By my understanding of their behaviour, it's (c.)peace at 0:13 & (b)leave me alone at 0:18, in quick sucession.
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Amnon242 - 03-18-2020
interesting...
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Amnon242 - 04-07-2020
0:34. Head move..."bow". Threat.
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Amnon242 - 04-25-2020
What do you think about this situation? Is the tiger afraid of the lion? Or does he find him annoying but not really dangerous? Or anything else?
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Balam - 04-25-2020
(04-25-2020, 01:45 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: What do you think about this situation? Is the tiger afraid of the lion? Or does he find him annoying but not really dangerous? Or anything else?
My opinion is that it is not scared but definitely submissive, the lion is clearly more aggressive and dominant. They're in a horrible small enclosure so it makes sense they will be frustrated.
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Amnon242 - 04-25-2020
(04-25-2020, 01:51 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:(04-25-2020, 01:45 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: What do you think about this situation? Is the tiger afraid of the lion? Or does he find him annoying but not really dangerous? Or anything else?
My opinion is that it is not scared but definitely submissive, the lion is clearly more aggressive and dominant. They're in a horrible small enclosure so it makes sense they will be frustrated.
Why do you think that the tiger is submissive? What I see is that the tiger easily repelled the attack of the lion. Then he walks across the enclosure in a confident way...while the lion is aggressive, but rather nervous than dominant. See 0:33 - the lion tried another attack, but gave it up when he saw that the tiger is ready. Then the tiger lay down, obviously wanted to have a rest, the lion did not respect that so the tiger chased him away.
Thats what I see.
RE: BODY LANGUAGE AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE - Balam - 04-25-2020
(04-25-2020, 01:59 AM)Amnon242 Wrote:(04-25-2020, 01:51 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:(04-25-2020, 01:45 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: What do you think about this situation? Is the tiger afraid of the lion? Or does he find him annoying but not really dangerous? Or anything else?
My opinion is that it is not scared but definitely submissive, the lion is clearly more aggressive and dominant. They're in a horrible small enclosure so it makes sense they will be frustrated.
Why do you think that the tiger is submissive? What I see is that the tiger easily repelled the attack of the lion. Then he walks across the enclosure in a confident way...while the lion is aggressive, but rather nervous than dominant. See 0:33 - the lion tried another attack, but gave it up when he saw that the tiger is ready. Then the tiger lay down, obviously wanted to have a rest, the lion did not respect that so the tiger chased him away.
Thats what I see.
The tiger lowers its head and sticks to the ground which is typical submissive behavior. I didn't see the lion as nervous but rather frustrated and stressed which then translated to aggression.