Impressive Wild Jaguars - Pictures and Videos

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(04-24-2020, 11:53 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 10:11 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: That is a very sensitive subject as we want more weight and measurements it could be tough for jaguars too wearing collars and with the anesthetic doses to keep them asleep but the projects takes good care as much as they can even the collars of nowadays as soon as the jag gets mass on the neck it will automatically fall off but with all jags sizes we got its a good number to take a few conclusions on modern jags. Above all the most important thing for me is to prevent poachers and the increase of the population the more wild jags in nature the better for nature.

Regarding the lack of studies in the species I think from all we have gathered us three can agree on a few things regarding pantanal male jaguars, first their average size, female is 76-77kg the polemic one is the males the other day I was reading an article and there's an interesting statement from the Expert Photographer Adriano Gambarini who follows projects suchs as Onçafari, Instituto Mamirauá ( in amazon ), he even followed an expedition for Caatinga jaguars in caatinga, he is the responsable for the official photographs of the captures and the projects works, everything about jaguars he is involved, he also has traveled the whole world photographing wild life, in the article he says the average size of a Pantanal male is ABOVE 100kg,

http://jaguar.org.br/wp-content/uploads/publicacoes/Dalli_L_2018.pdf

Page 16 of the link his statement in portuguese - ''Besides the high population densities, the biome (pantanal) presents the jaguars with the largest body size, being the average weight for males in this biome superior to 100kg, with some surpassing 130kg (Gambarini, 2016).''

I know he is not a biologist and some would argue the statement but coming from a person who follows the captures all the time and is witnessing everything up close hearing all those weights, sizes on jaguars we still don't know about ( remember Onçafari monitores more than 120 jaguars ) its pretty accurate to me and in my opinion with Adriano Gambini's statement or not pantanal male jags today average 105kg ( I already had that in mind before reading the article ) all the results show this and I'm glad Gambarini said that it just boosts that claim and some may argue ''there's no official scientifically statement of this and they still average 90kg'' The datas provided by projects is official right if its not scientific I don't know what that is, if this science entity who studied Almeidas datas and made them official is really interested in studying jaguars weight why they don't do a modern study, it should at least realise jaguars have been studied much more often lately in comparison to decades ago thanks to many conservation projects and stop sticking up to Almeidas weight and sizes and turn into a new modern page I'm sure this science entity will be surprised with the new results and forget that false 90kg average for once of all, if That 90kg average was accurate yes it was but 40 years ago, not anymore, even Peter Crawshaw himself saw how harsh it was for jaguars to live back then, I am not trying to downgrade Almeidas datas he provided many sizes, measurements, skull sizes that was game change but its been over 40 years already and many things regarding jaguars have changed since then ( thankfully for the better ) and its time for this science entity wake up and set this oudated jaguar table for once of all. Some people who desagree complain about statements through instagram,twitter pages but what would they expect ?? after all the accurate datas provided by projects I trust their words and if it is through instagram, twitter that is no problem its future, modernity, the internet era. if this science entity want to prove the real data why don't they do so but this time on modern jags I'm sure they will have a surprise. That 148kg modern pantanal male captured at north shown by @Pckts is other example of it so until this responsable for ''scientifically officialy proven'' or whatever don't show anything with modern jags in that regard, I will stick to what projects provide to us TODAY and not to 40 years old outdated datas and also I will stick to the average size being 105kg, is it scientifically correct? of course not but modern datas led us to their real weight potential Joker is an example of it and imagine with all those large males out there and the ones missed that are gone already ( Fantasma ( ghost ) and Xavier.... ) So until this science entity prove I am ( we are ) wrong IMO pantanal males average size is 105kg. even the professional photographer is noticing the ''modern differences'' . I don't know about you 2 but After seeing many weights way above 100kg and yet sticking to an average size of only 90kg is just wrong and outdated to me. And I know such a study for the entity might take alot of resources but lets remember jaguars are the least studied of all big cats.

About maximum sizes I think from these large male Pantanal jaguars we all wish to know how large they are even if we don't  get it we already have a minimum clue on how large on frame 120+,130+ males can be so regardless of what other people who desagrees with us think we know they are up there in weight even if they will never get weighed and even Cerrado jaguars are far impressive too.

It would be cool to see a comparison on measurements of that average cerrado male 87.5kg I posted there's thorax girth, pad sizes, body/tail lengths with the likes of Shaka and Joker.

About the corridors Leandro Silveira works alot with it as well, I wish you guys spoke portugues to watch a few videos when Richard Rasmussen visited IOP in Cerrado last year with the porpose to learn more about jags, its so educatinal and amazing.

jaguars outside of Brasil I am very curious too regarding their capabilities and I know they're also large, that post by @OncaAtrox was impressive that domestic buffalo predation was just Wow and also that Santander jag, and I am sure Paraguay has alot to offer as well since its the least studied area of Pantanal.

Personally today the population of jags I would focus the most regarding conservation in my country would be the Caatinga jags, they are the most understudied, they are the smallest and rarest of all and a terrible fate like occured to the Pampas jaguars could happen at any time since theres so little Caatinga jaguars.

For a comparison The only caatinga jaguar weight I could find was that 37kg male that has even a comparison to a 130kg pantanal male about the same age. I wanna gather more weights of these caatinga jags but also know more how their lifestyles are.

I agree with everything you said here, I don't fully speak Portuguese but I do understand it so feel free to share your content here with us!

Jaguars in Colombia are incredibly understudied and I'm sure that by looking at the specimens I have shown here we can agree that those are reaching large sizes as well and going undocumented. Thankfully these jaguar populations in the Colombian Llanos are actually growing and ranchers aren't poaching them anywhere near as much as before. I know many people here want to believe that jaguars are in the same tier as leopards but we know that's not true, and it's due to the lack of data from these animals that we can't make a conclusive statement about their sizes.

I'm also extremely interested in knowing the sizes of the Argentinian Atlantic forests jaguars, those look like tanks, and Redyaguarete has said they believe some males surpass the 100 kg threshold easily.

Here it is and keep in mind that these are all cerrado jaguars and pay the attention to the discussions specially when they head to the place of the skulls and skins its so informative, the pecaris part too as well as when they discuss the cerrado and jaguars from a mountain with the whole cerrado view. anyways everything is good hahaha.

This is the last one when Richard receives the call from IOP, Leandro tells him theres a large wild cerrado male lurking around the house for a while and he just put it in the enclosure with the help of Xavante male who helped luring the wild male into the enclosure, then Richard rushes to go there and see it up close, the large male gets weighed and named Richard.

This Richard cerrado male from the video bellow is the same male I am comparing to the massive Tiago cerrado male in the post above.

Just look how powerful and explosive he is right in the first secs of the video against the cage. 110kg of pure wild muscle mass.

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