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Wow, Inspiring story. Lot of blessing for her.
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Berda male cub

Name               : T40=Berda male cub
Location          : Ranthambore National Park
Year of Birth   : 2008
Ancestry          : Son of X male and T4 tigress
Status              : Unknown
Gender             : Male
Species             : panthera tigris tigris

 

He was the brother of Junglee. After there mother's (T4) death in 2009 both the cubs started fending for themselves.
By 2010 Semli male (T6) entered there territory and chased off T40 from its home range. The Berda male cub was not seen after that, so its assumed to be dead.



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 Kanwar Deep Juneja added 3 new photos.Yesterday at 9:03am · Edited · Lesser seen tigers of Ranthambhore!!!
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I was lucky enough to spot T 57 a rarely seen tiger who visits Zone 2 from Lahpur and 3 almost adult cubs of T13 and T43 in Zone 10!!! Here they are....T57 was a special and rather angry tiger who did not like tourists or their vehicles....Please correct me if I'm wrong! The sightings were important enough although not much of a photo opportunity!— with Nafees Mohammed and Sushil Chauhan


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It's amazing how different the North Western Bengals look compared to the North East Specimens, has anyone noticed? Ranthambore tigers look quite a bit like the Sumatrans but bigger and less intimidating imho. [img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
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( This post was last modified: 12-06-2014, 09:45 AM by GuateGojira )

It is all about genetic. Rantambore tigers descend from a few specimens that have dominated the area. Those first tigers had a similar pattern of stripes but with each generation, the pattern had evolved in this "Sumatran like" type of stripes.

By the way, it is believed that the "modern" population of Ranthambore tigers is in fact, a group of tigers capture and transported from the Kumaon area in the old days of the Maharahas, prior to the British colonization. I don't remember were I read this (maybe in the book "Exotic Aliens"), but is from a book from Valmik Thapar. I will found it for you.


 
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( This post was last modified: 12-06-2014, 07:18 PM by Roflcopters )

that sounds interesting but not surprising since Kumaon is just a bit North to Ranthambore.


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Ranthambore is just a bit under and to the west, btw on top of Ranthambore should be Sariska but it's not displayed on the map. [img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

 

 
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I definitely would not say they look "less intimidating"

T24 looks like the meanest tiger alive.
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Regarding North west tigers from Ranthambore

IMO Ranthambore tigers are generally taller than central Indian tigers.
Ranthambore tigers seems to have slimmer and more numerous stripes like Sumatrans in body and facial area but they are much bigger and lighter (pale orangish) in colour when compared sumatrans.
Generally Ranthambore tigers seems to lack the bulkiness of Kaziranga (North east tigers) tigers, they also look to have paler coat colour and smaller heads compared to Kazirangans.



Poor genetic diversity a threat to Ranthambore tigers, says study

On her last legs, Machli — often called Ranthambore's matriarch for presiding over a majestic legacy of over a decade — can still make a tiger-lover crave for her glimpse. But her offsprings in the 400-500 sq km tiger abode in Rajasthan's Sawai Madhopur district face a genetic threat that could hit the population hard in the long run. 

While Ranthambore Tiger Reserve (RTR) was in news for a sudden population crash in 1992 and 2003, it assumes more significance in the light of a recent study by the Wildlife Institute of India (WII) that says tiger population in the park has shown a loss of genetic diversity over the years. "RTR tiger population is showing loss of many alleles, which may be due to an isolated population without any genetic exchange," said WII's Dr S P Goyal, the investigator of the report — 'Tiger Genome: Implications In Wildlife Forensics'. Alleles are a group of genes that decide an animal's hair colour and immunity, among other characteristics. 

The park's tiger population had crashed to 12 in 1992 and 13 in 2003. It bounced back to 31 in 2010 but Dharmendra Khandal, a conservation biologist, feels lower genetic diversity would prove to be a new threat.  "Urbanisation and fragmentation in tiger corridors are the reasons. Ranthambore tigers used to take the Chambal river route to reach Madhya Pradesh's Kuno. But flattening of the river banks stopped tiger dispersal between Ranthambore and MP, resulting in no gene flow between the two tiger populations," he said. 

"Since Sariska has lost all its tigers, now the nearest tiger reserve from Ranthambore is over 800 km away, be it Bandhavgarh, Corbett or Satpura," Khandal said. According to tiger expert Valmik Thapar, a growing human population is leading to encroachment of large landscapes making the survival of many species difficult.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/...213128.cms




Now getting into Malyan tigers
These are collection of camera trap photos obtain from WMU (Wildlife Monitoring Unit) of WWF-Malaysia, in one of the priority area for Tiger Conservation in Peninsular Malaysia.
Hope you guys like it




 

 
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( This post was last modified: 12-07-2014, 10:11 AM by GuateGojira )

All the famous tiger places, like Ranthambore-Bandhavgarh-Kanha, are just dead ends. The only hope for these places is the creations of natural corridors that can interconnect them. The landscape Nagarahole-Bandipur is one perfect example, and now that of Kanha-Pench. Sadly, Ranthambore is an island surrounded by people, so the need for corridors is urgent there.

At this moment, the only places in the Indian subcontinent that have hope of long therm conservation is the Terai Arc (Corbett-Kaziranga) and the Western Ghats landscape (Nagarahole-Animalai).
 
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Gabbar aka leopardface, seems to have lost some weight after collaring. Now its the winter season and the monsoon is long gone. But I dont no the exact reason behind is weight loss. 

Recently the forest department has put a collar on him for tracking. It was told by the guide and driver that since the day they put the collar, he used to run away on seeing the vehicles.


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A Signature Ranthambhore shot...1 week of dry spell in Ranthambhore National Park, turns the entire park brown and golden. This gives excellent camouflage to the resident tigers, but then the trackers of the park are expert in spotting them. T-62, the female tigress of the Balas buffer zone searching for water in this relatively dry season after feeding on cattle she had killed in the morning.

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Bisalvadi Male on a Misty Morning in Kabini

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Sharmele tigress, she is the queen of Birjani, Corbett

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This was shot during the amazing sighting I had at Kabini, May 2014. After an uneventful half hour of roaming in the jungle, our guide heard the alarm call of a Sambhar. Within moments we reached the junction of two tracks, hoping sight something special. To our right was a huge group of Spotted Deer, standing alert, with tails straight and ears wide open. "Tiger! Tiger!" Our guide uttered those magic words. Within moments, he emerged from the bushes and crossed the track in front of us, paying no attention to the deer, easy prey, perhaps.

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T-37… She was one of the reasons why tourism started to boom in Zone-9 aka Kuwalji area of Ranthambhore which is around 25 miles from the main zones of the National Park. She was the mate of the ferocious T-42 who's terror of chasing vehicles lead to fewer people venture so faraway from the park. She died under mysterious circumstances last year and she was a gorgeous lady nontheless.

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I saw a few new images of Gabbar and he does look to be quite thinner at the moment. I know tigers do go through times of plenty and times where they thin out but it does seem to coincide with the collaring.
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You are speculating here, and heavily. We know of several tigers with large weight variation, with and without radiocollars, the best cases are the famous Sauraha male (M105) from Nepal and Dale (Pt20) from Russia. They in fact, increased its weight after radiocollaring them.

The point here is not to blame the method, but the people that employ it.

None of you have answer one important question, WHY those tigers are been radiocollared? As far I know, there is not a single scientific study about these tigers and not a single report about them.

The problem here is not the radiocollaring per se, but the people that employ it. Every process can be safe, as long as is carrying out by professionals. Even dynamite is safe and good if used correctly.

To blame radiocollars with no evidence is irresponsible, first you MOST know the answers of the questions that I established here:

1. Who is collaring these tigers?
2. Why they are been radiocollared?

There is anyone that actually know the answers?
 
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( This post was last modified: 12-11-2014, 03:08 PM by Apollo )

My take on regarding radiocollaring,

I too spoke to several amateur photographers and amateur naturalists regarding the collaring issue on tigers.
Almost all of them were against collaring the tigers.

The common reasons what they gave was

* These collars make tigers to carry unwanted weight around its neck.

* Some of the tigers showed uncomfortable behaviours when there is a collar around its neck. Generally it has been proposed stating that the weight of the tracking device should not exceed 5% of the host‟s bodyweight in order to avoid detrimental effects to behavior (Cochran 1980; Aldridge and Brigham 1988). But in the case of the tigers collared the collar weight was 1% of the entire body weight. But still I wont rule out the possibility of behavioural changes (because these are living animals and not machines)
An example is Gabbar from Tadoba seems to run away from vehicles after being collared. This is definitely a behavioural change. Collaring is not only about the radio collar but the entire process involved.
Another example is a collared tiger in Ranthambore started showing more aggressive behaviour towards vehicles.
We have to remember unlike the collared tigers in Russia these tiger reserves in India are big tourist attraction centers. So the guides, drivers, photographers, naturalists will see these tigers day in and day out and will definitely notice if there is a change in the behavioural pattern.

* Several tigers in Kanha were collared 10 years ago (2004-2009) for research purposes but not a single study or research paper as been published yet.

* Among all the tigers collared initially at Kanha, all of them died except one and what research the scientists did and why didnt they publish anything on their research work, instead they started collaring more new tigers.
One example is a tiger named Arjuna (one of the link 7 brothers) died after a territorial battle with Munna. When his body was examined they found that one of his front paw was stuck in the collar through his claws. This immobilized Arjuna and could have cost is downfall. The claws were so firmly stuck to the collar that the vets were unable to remove it, so finally they cut the collar to get the frontlimb out.
Another example is a tiger named Pattewala male (brother of Munna and he was collared) went missing after a fight with Munna and no attempts were made to track him and find him, he is still being missing and considered dead.
Umarpani tigress's collar was cut and removed because there was a big maggot infested infection around the collar portion.
T4 tigress died due to infection around radio collar in Panna. On T4's death Madhya Pradesh's chief wildlife warden Narendra Kumar said "It seems the radio-collar caused infection around her neck". Wildlife biologist Vidya Athreya the one who collared the T4 tigress said "It is likely that the Panna tigress had a wound on her neck which the collar did not allow for healing". Athreya also adds that in a place like Africa, where visibility is good and there are not as many people as in India, you can drive up to the animal, see it clearly and then intervene if the animal has a problem with the collar etc.

* Tracking tigers for tourism purpose where there is zero scientific values. All the tigers collared initially at Kanha were from tourism zone.

* There are faulty collars which dont work, hence the tiger as to be recaptured and recollared.[/size]

and some more points similar to this.



What I would say is
* These people are amateur photographers and amateur naturalists, they love these tigers and they know alot about these animals life history but they lack the authority to question scientific methods.

* Most of their complaints were due to poor management by the autorities on collaring tigers.

* They talk out of passion and love for this animals. They think radio collars and collaring process can be annoying and stressful for tigers but this method as been successfully used by scientists on different animals for research purposes. They miss the point that greater good which comes out of collaring a few for the species or subspecies as a whole.

* No matter how good a scientific method is, it all depends on the authority and the management which governs it.

One example is
Faulty radio collars force scientists to kill 18 deer

http://www.thelocal.ch/20130903/botched-...ll-18-fawn



There are frequency alotment issues in India

Radio collar stuck in Customs dept, release of tigress into Pench stalled

Refusal by the Wireless Planning Commission (WPC) under the Union Ministry of Communications and IT to allot a frequency for a radio collar has stalled the release of a tigress into Pench National Park.

The satellite-aided radio collar, costing Rs 3.5 lakh with accessories, had reached India from Germany in February. However, the importer has been unable to retrieve it from the Customs Department following the Centre’s decision to not grant any new frequencies.

The four-and-a-half year old tigress — TF1 — is one of the three orphaned siblings brought to Pench in Nagpur district from the then Bor Sanctuary (now a tiger reserve). The cubs were raised by the Forest Department in captivity and released into soft enclosures over a year ago.

After studying their behaviour, the officials found that the male — TM1 — showed familiarity with humans and was unfit for release in the wild.

TF1, on the other hand, was kept in a large enclosure (3.5 ha) and was hunting the live animals released in the enclosure. “We decided to release her in the wild first. For that, we need the radio collar to keep a watch on her movements. So, we placed an order,” said Pench Field Director M S Reddy.

Sumit Sabharwal of A&S Creations said, “We have been told by WPS officials that no new frequencies are being granted since June 30, so we will have to wait till the new allotment starts.”

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/i...h-stalled/


Im not being irresponsible or blaming radiocollars for Gabbar's lose in weight, but instead the weight loss concides with the collaring.
Reserves like Bandhavgarh and Tadoba have prey availability throughout the year and there is less seasonal changes compared to reserves in the north. Thats why generally we see very less variations in tigers physique in these reserves.

Regarding your questions Guate
1. Who is collaring these tigers?
2. Why they are been radiocollared?

As far as I know there is forest department, state government, central government, governement approved vets, biologists etc are involved in one way or the other, but more details can be obtained only when anything is published.
Forest department always says tigers are collared to monitor there movements, ecology etc .


You say "​Every process can be safe, as long as is carrying out by professionals."
But the snares used in Russia were done by professionals and it was never a safe method, everyone knew but still the so called professionals used it. You dont need a Phd to know that snares are dangerous for animals, snaring animals is being practiced for centuries by hunters, poachers etc.



I see a debate going on in radio collaring vs cameratrapping.
Are cameratraps the next step from radiocollars in tiger conservation in India ?
Can cameratraps replace radiocollars in India ?

The real question is what radiocollars can do which the cameratraps cannot and what the cameratraps can do which the radiocollars cannot. What are the disadvantages on cameratrapping and radiocollaring. 

 

 
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Well said Apollo. I already posted tons of failed radio collar deaths and tranq' deaths for animals all across the board. Rhinos, Jaguar, Cougars, Lions tigers, etc.
I am going to post this in the
"hands on thread" if you don't mind apollo?
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(12-11-2014, 11:08 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Well said Apollo. I already posted tons of failed radio collar deaths and tranq' deaths for animals all across the board. Rhinos, Jaguar, Cougars, Lions tigers, etc.
I am going to post this in the
"hands on thread" if you don't mind apollo?

 

Yeah you can post this, no issues Pckts.



 
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