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titose · 03-26-2021, 08:29 PM

(03-26-2021, 07:04 PM)Potato Wrote: @Herekitty any idea who those males on video are? Giraffe males? It is dated on July 2013

@Potato I see them as young Skybed males.

Potato · 03-27-2021, 02:14 AM

(03-26-2021, 07:40 PM)Potato Wrote: Comment of Rudi Hulshof (Thornybush ranger) from facebook group:

Case in point, one of the Xikukutsu male lions had a fight 3 days ago and had an arterial bleed that could have led to his death, fortunately the clotting happened before he bled out, but he lost a good 2 or more litres of blood during a sighting, even going into shock and vomiting before collapsing.

Had he died, there are very few “fanatics” that would have believed he died of natural causes and there would be those who would have demanded photographic proof before they stopped spreading rumors that he had been killed by hunters etc.

From Lions Of Timbavati facebook page (video in the link):
What a sighting!

The smaller Xikukutsu male was seen involved on a fight with the Mapoza male! The Mapoza male beaten pretty badly to the smaller of the Xikukutsu male, The Mapoza male later was seen with some of the Monwana females!
Video by: Tyrone Soekoe

https://www.facebook.com/LionsofTimbavati/videos/3843273849041403

I wander if that he fought Mapoza male is just assumption or was a fight actually seen by someone.

https://www.facebook.com/LionsofTimbavati/videos/3843273849041403

More comments on that event from Rudi:

This is exactly what I speak about. The inaccuracies.
Nobody actually saw the fight. Nobody can say for sure what happened.
Saying he fought with Mapoza is speculation and not fact.
The facts are that he was seen moving back towards the Blackdam females who were running away from the Avoca pride that were a good 5km further South than they have ever been before. They were feeding on a Zebra. The fight could easily have been between the 10 members of the Avoca pride and the Xikukutsu who found them feeding on a Zebra. The fight may have been between the females of the Blackdam pride and the Avoca pride and he got between them. It could have been a number of things, but nobody saw it actually happen.
And to say Mapoza was found with the Monwana pride is false. He was found another 2 km further south with a Blackdam lioness.
So please stop making statements as though they are fact, because it’s all just guessing that is going on.

Yes he (note: injured Xikukutsu male) is fine. I followed him
This morning on a safari.

Added to my already made comments, there is also the fact that the 3 Thornybush Males ( Younger Monwana Males ) have been in this area for the past month and have been in the South Western corner of the reserve, not even 2 km from where the injured Xikukutsu was found bleeding.
Again, your question about wether it’s fact or not is so important, because who is to say that these 3 males did not find him and beat him up?
It’s dangerous to make statements as if they are fact when nobody saw anything and cannot prove anything because it all happened before the drives departed in the morning.

Herekitty · 03-27-2021, 02:43 AM

(03-26-2021, 07:14 AM)Gijima Wrote: @Potato @Herekitty Thanks for the IDs. This filled in a lot of missing pieces about what went on in Ngala from 2014-2015. It seems like Matimbas and Giraffe Males were dominant in that area (using that word loosely) and there were cubs born from these males.

Re-posting with credits/labels.
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http://www.ljaxphotos.com/photoGalleries/index/ngala-safari-lodge-timbavati-reserve-limpopo/limit:100

JULY 2014- NGALA- Split Nose Matimba (?)

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Ngala- July 2014- Stumpy- Birmingham Lioness?

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October 2014- White Faced Giraffe Male w/ Birmingham Lioness (I think--- this lioness looks exactly like the old lioness of the current Birmingham breakaway pride)
https://www.wild4photographicsafaris.com/

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Same sighting- Oct 2014- Ngala- Cubs born to this pride....

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Credit: Traveling Safari Bug
Ngala- 2015- Old Avoca Male? Mating Pair:

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Young Birmingham Boy (Mfumo?)- Ngala 2014- Ljaxphotos

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@Potato is on the money, that first male does look like Slitnose Matimba. And @titose is correct that video is likely the young Skybeds based on age. The photo of the female with the whiteface Giraffe male is probably an Avoca female, Shindzela and Ngala are adjacent to each other, and the Giraffes and Avoca pride were often seen in Ngala at this time. The Giraffe males confronted and were repelled a number of times by the three Northern Matimbas in 14/15. It wasn't until Nov/Dec when Shaka was killed by the Giraffes that Slitnose and Whiteface Matimbas forced out of Ngala to Manyeleti and Orpen. They retained the Scorro pride for another year until Slitnose was killed (probably by the Giraffes) in Jan. 2017. I believe Slitnose had taken a leg injury hunting in 2016 and was an easy target by then. The photo before Mfumo is Whiteface Matimba with a Scorro female.

Here is the Giraffe number 2 after taking a beaten and being searated from his bros by the Northern Matimbas in mid-2015. Images by Tom Friedel