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Big cat and Bear tale
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 (07-09-2019, 11:53 AM)Rishi Wrote: It's from Tadoba Safari & Stay by Roaring Wild Travel Co. (click to play): "Buffer tigress stalking sloth bear in Junona buffer of Moharli. Junona Dewada buffer is going really well." "Tigress & Sloth Bear, Tadoba Andhari Tiger Reserve ,Chandrapur, Maharashtra"  *This image is copyright of its original author From Julien Boulé Wildlife & Nature Photography  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author From Kartik Chitnis: "Sloth bear challenged him face to face and as the tiger backed off bear went away...."  *This image is copyright of its original author
 (07-10-2019, 12:23 PM)Luipaard Wrote:(07-09-2019, 11:53 AM)Rishi Wrote: Don't link images directly from Facebook or minor sites... download & upload here. If you've done so before, then in a few months of posting they'll all be gone. See earlier posts of old threads. @sanjay can't that button be made hidden? 
Sloth bear is always win in 70% vs Tiger?
Yes or no? Sloth bear is beat Tiger in 70% fight  (07-19-2019, 09:11 PM)Rishi Wrote:(07-19-2019, 08:16 PM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote: Sloth bear is always win in 70% vs Tiger? Sorry, but if I may say so, I am not afraid to say perhaps in 70% face-off there is no physical contact, but in 30% which stay, if the tiger is clearly determined to fight, tiger will win.  (07-19-2019, 08:16 PM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote: Sloth bear is always win in 70% vs Tiger? Young tiger(<3) vs sloth bear 30:70 Adult tiger vs sloth bear 99:1 I have found evidences of active avoidance of tigers by sloth bears and relatively frequent vigilance behaviour in bears (personal observations) in Panna NP. My observations on interactions that sloth bears had with conspecifics,tigers and humans in Panna indicate that there are several responses that are common in these interactions, particularly in the way sloth bears reacted to both tigers and humans.Sloth bears actively avoided tigers and humans when they became aware of their presence in advance. When they heard suspicious sounds made by humans, tigers, or even alarms raised by other animals such as sambar (Cervus unicolor) or common langur (Trachypithecus entellus) to the presence of predators or humans, the bears became vigilant.They paused their activity and waited for further sounds or scents, looked in the direction of the sound, or exhibited such vigilant behaviour. When the bears sensed the presence of adversaries, they stopped their activity, moved in a different direction or even took shelter under secure cover. Sometimes,they did not emerge out of dens until long after their usual times of start of activity. Occasionally they also fled on sensing a threat, or at other times,they rushed towards the tiger or the human. Similar reactions were also observed in Chitwan NP, Nepal. At close quarters, sloth bears reacted to humans and tigers similarly, often by roaring and running away, or roaring and attacking before retreating (Laurie and Seidensticker 1977)" K.Yoganand, 2005, “Behavioural Ecology of Sloth Bear (Melursus ursinus) In Panna National Park, Central India”, thesis PhD, Saurashtra University "We never observed Sloth bears eating carrion or preying on other mammals. McDougal (pers. comm.) who conducted an extensive tiger baiting programme in Western Chitawan reported only one instance of a Sloth bear feeding from a buffalo killed by a tiger. Sanderson (1890) reported that occasionally Sloth bears scavenged tiger kills and gnawed on cattle bones" A. Laurie,J. Seidensticker 1976 "Behavioural ecology of the Sloth bear (Melursus ursinus)"  (07-19-2019, 08:16 PM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote: Sloth bear is always win in 70% vs Tiger? There aren´t too many known cases, where there would have been fight. And when we have one case, where female sloth bear and tiger dispersed from fight and one, where big male sloth bear maybe killed a tiger, it´s difficult to say, that sloth bears would win 70%, when there are several known cases, in which tigers have killed sloth bears. It looks like it, that if tiger isn´t able to make ambush attack then sloth bears are often able to make tigers to back off or at least stop approaching while bear goes away. Sloth bear is usually clearly smaller than tiger, so it´s in deep trouble if fight becomes serious. I am a bit curious, how did figure like 70% come to your mind? Did you count as fights confrontations, in which other animal was intimidated without physical confrontation? Sorry i mean 70% face to face Tiger run from sloth bear..because Tiger scary..male or female sloth bear intimidating all tiger
(07-20-2019, 11:05 AM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote:Face to face Young tiger(<3) vs sloth bear 30:70 Adult tiger vs sloth bear 99:1 "Occasionally they also fled on sensing a threat, or at other times,they rushed towards the tiger or the human. Similar reactions were also observed in Chitwan NP, Nepal. At close quarters, sloth bears reacted to humans and tigers similarly, often by roaring and running away, or roaring and attacking before retreating" K.Yoganand, 2005, “Behavioural Ecology of Sloth Bear (Melursus ursinus) In Panna National Park, Central India”, thesis PhD, Saurashtra University (07-20-2019, 11:05 AM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote: Ok, naturally when looking all videos, where these situations can be seen, that kind of impression is understandable. Tigers are obviously very careful with sloth bears. They aren´t same kind of prey as some small antelope, they are capable to fight back and naturally tigers know it. Same thing as with gaurs, many times tigers flee especially when bull charges tiger. But I wouldn´t use the word scary, I see it as common sense. If not in desperate situation, why would tiger make an attack against most dangerous animals when ambush fails. Same is with other big cats, their success rates in hunting are actually very low. Just look at information about lions, leopards and other big cats. So if you want to say like you do now, you could say most probably, that sloth bears win 90-95% of "fights". But that would be twisting things. Tigers fight, when it can´t be avoided, but they are calculating big cats and in hunting preferring ambush. Then again in tigers as in all species there are individual differences. Some individuals can make exceptions and more risky attacks than others. But what comes to sloth bears it´s obvious, that we see often how tiger let it be, when sloth bear notices it too early. In some cases it´s hard to say if tiger has been even seriously trying or just more or less practicing stalking. But if we talk about fighting and mean situations, where they really fight, then there is no doubt about it that tiger is clear favorite. Different people can give different probabilities, but if not favoring tigers, then it can be asked, that do they know at all about what they are talking about :) This is how I think about these animals overall, based on all things I´ve seen. (07-20-2019, 01:22 PM)Diamir2 Wrote:(07-20-2019, 11:05 AM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote:Face to face What comes to this quote from study, it can´t be forgotten that sloth bears injure and kill a lot of people. One of the most dangerous if not really the most dangerous bear to people because it really reacts in aggressive way many times. I mean that part: "or roaring and attacking before retreating". Someone could think, that they make only mock charges. But that´s not the case, that only mock charges, they have mauled many people badly and are able to cause serious injuries in very short time. They are known to attack on head and eyes. Maybe @Rishi or @sanjay could tell a bit more. Or some other member from countries with sloth bears about that. I haven´t read that study, which you quoted, maybe there is more in that study and warnings for people not to approach sloth bear like it would be some cute dog. 
I've seen a few videos online of brutal sloth bear attacks on people, they're out to do real damage. There's nothing calm about the attacks, and every action whether it be a bite, clawing, or advancement in position is committed to 100%. Really one of the last animals you'd want to come across, hyper-agressive. A great trait for tiger country, fatal for humans.
(07-20-2019, 05:27 PM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote: Baik..so Tiger win 99% I have to say this much. If you want, that someone here tells to you absolute truth about some percentage, it´s quite impossible in issue like this. How could someone say some exact percentage? Some of these confrontations have been recorded, but without any doubt, many happen so, that there are no people to see. When we see some tiger with scratches on head, most people think, that it has been territorial fight with another tiger. But some of those injuries can be from sloth bear too. They have also sharp and nasty claws. So if you think about all fights, not all end up to death. Dispersion is also often seen, when predators fight. 99% can be too high percentage, when considering things calmly and objectively. That could then again be quite close to it, that in 99% of fights we can be quite sure, that tiger isn´t going to die. That might be possible in 1% of cases, or 1-5%. Then again if thinking sloth bear, it might die in 50-80% of cases, where fight occurs... and rest dispersion. I don´t know if there is any study about this. Those numbers can be close to truth, but also not :) My point is, that in interaction of certain animals there is always certain part, which we don´t know. So no-one here can say, that "this is how I say", we all make estimations based on available information. Some most absurd claims can be often proven to be wrong, but trying to find exact truth about something, where it´s obvious that available information is limited. That´s impossible. You would like to find some statistic giving all the answers?
Sloth Bear Behavior
Sloth bears are generally solitary and nocturnal but can be observed at any time of the day. The only time males and females come together is to mate (often in June and July). Generally, the only groups are a mother with cubs but brief groups of five to seven bears have been observed, communicating with strange facial expressions and a variety of sounds. Sloth bears spend much of their ambling along in a slow, deliberate fashion, looking for food. If motivated they can gallop at a relatively high speed. Sloth bears generally don't hibernate but retreat to caves and have a period of relative inactivity during the rainy season. Sloth bears can not be accused of sloth. They are quite busy. They spend almost all their free time searching for food. They generally don't defend territories; they just roam to where the food is. Their long claws are ideal for digging and fending off attacks not so good for climbing trees, which many other bears their size are good at. They produce a variety of sounds, including roars, squeals, howls, huffs, yelps, rattles and gurgles. They are particularly noisy when mating, when they also engage in mack fighting and hugging. When resting they make humming and buzzing noises sucking on their paws. Sloth bears are known for their pugnacity and aggressiveness They can do some serious damage with their long claws. They sometimes bite with their semi-toothed muzzle and hold on like a pit bull. Females are generally accommodating to other females. Fights sometimes break out between males. Sloth bears have been observed fighting with tigers and holding their own. One ranger told Smithsonian magazine he observed a sloth bear slap a tiger in the face and push it away. The tiger fled after that. The same ranger said the once saw a sloth bear take on three large tigers, each of which fled in a different direction after the encounter. However, tigers do kill sloth bears more often than visa versa. In most cases a tiger can kill a sloth bear of it wants to but is fearful if suffering severe wounds in the process. Sloth bears are regarded as very intelligent, employing reasoning when they feed. Sometimes before a rainstorm they dig a number of small holes in a termite nest and allow the rain to make them bigger before they dig up the hole. Like other bears, sloth bears can stand up on their hind legs, It first though this was a sign of aggression but it turns out they seem to do it to get a better view or survey the landscape and. more importantly, to sniff the air for food or danger. http://factsanddetails.com/asian/cat68/sub433/entry-3574.html |
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