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Impressive Wild Jaguars - Pictures and Videos
Impressive Wild Jaguars - Pictures and Videos
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Impressive Wild Jaguars - Pictures and Videos
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 (09-02-2014, 01:42 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote:'Pckts dateline='' Wrote:'Pantherinae dateline='' Wrote: Desperate lions wil sometimes eat ofcourse, but it's unusual. I have even seen desperate nomader male Lions eat a hyena.I think it all depends on the situation. The mother Im speaking of ate her own cub. Since I have no proof of Leopards eating other predators more than Lions or Tigers, I cant say they do for sure. But if it was true, my guess would be, its harder for a leopard to make kills than a larger cat, and they can't afford to discard the way a larger cat has to. But I don't think there is any proof of it being true so I can't say for sure. Lets get back to jags now. If you would like to discuss further, maybe a new thread would be usefull. 
Yes let's go back to Jaguars.
Any idea of a thread I can make. Something You would like? :-)
I was thinking of a
"big cat predation on other predators" thread. I found a vid of a few lions eating a leopard, but I have to go. I will continue to look tomorrow and I can start a thread as well if you like. I will check back tomorrow. 'Pckts dateline='' Wrote: I was thinking of aOh i wanna see that video. Post it here tomorow? I have time I can start The thread! 
@Pantherinae
Some of your claims. 1) You say "A leopard kills a cheetah easy'er than a lion/tiger kills a leopard" Which is completely wrong, a male tiger/lion will be much much bigger, stronger and powerful than a leopard but the difference between a leopard and a cheetah will be much less limited. So male tiger/lion will kill a leopard much more easier than leopard killing cheetah. 2) You always use that single account of a subadult tigress with a leopard, but ignoring all other accounts and studies. That is a very wrong and biased way of arguing. So I guess you believe that a jackal can defend or repell a male lion. I told you before comparing a subadult animal with an adult animal is wrong and just look at that that tigress appeared much smaller for a 4 year old, it was stated that the leopard was more severely injured, it was also stated that there is a possibility of poisoning and other fowl play on the tigress and finally the image shows a much older and more decomposed carcass of a leopard when compared to the subadult tigress. So there is so many holes in this available single account, but you just ignored all those.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author In the available several accounts and studies, it is clearly stated Tigers sometimes scavenge from leopards, Tigers kill leopards when they can catch it (those the killed leopards are either eaten or left), Leopards avoid tigers at all costs and run or hide or climb a tree when seen. There is nothing stating they can defend or repell a male tiger's attack. Running, climbing a tree and hiding is not repelling an attack. In a fight between male tiger vs leopard, the tiger will be successful more than 9 out of 10 times (wild encounters). This is the norm and other possible outcomes are very very rare and negligible. We cant base are arguments on negligible occurences. 3) "As You say Lions and tigers are superior amongst The cat's in strength and size,and would kill any other cat if they where going for it,but very rarely they do so, and Often cat's like leopards will be able to defend himself by laying on his back with all four paws." It is not very rare for male tigers/lions to kill other competition, they will kill it whenever they get a chance in general. If it is very often for cats like leopard to defend or repell an attack, then why run in the first place. A single hyena will run from a lion because it cant repel a lion attack, but a group with enough numbers can defend or repel an attack hence they will stand the ground (this is the example for often defending or repelling a lion attack and your claim is very rare unusual event) 4) "Ofc a leopard will run When they see a lion or tiger, because they can be killed and The risk is very big.." When the probability of being killed is very high, then how come the occurence of repelling an attack be very often. Your claims contradict each other. 5) "The thing is a serrious attack from a male lion/tiger will probably end in death every time for another cat." "The lionesses will Often chase them. But as You say if a lioness want's she kills it." I agree Well I guess I made my points clear and I dont want to waste more time on this. Im out.
@Apollo
No I'm absoulutly right! yeah strength there are probably a bigger difference between a male tiger/lion and a leopard, than a leopard and a cheetah.. But it's all about The weaponanry, leopards are agile very mobile limbs and is and sharper claws. While The cheetah is fast that's it, not a fighter at all, slim limbs, stiffer limbs weak Jaw and short canines because of enlarged nostrials... I have seen a feamle leopard kill a cheetah easy as nothing, and have seen a leopard defended himself against 4 lionesses and killed a young tigress still bigger than him. I know You can't compare adult to sub-adults, but still.... And also survived battles against male lions.... If You can find a cheetah fighting of an attacking male leopard i would be extreamly shocked, but I don't think that's ever Gina happen. Sorry that's The only source I have I can't read The other one.... And no to me neiather does she look 4 years, brobably around 2,5-3 years. I have never said The leopard can be The victor, but it can survive, a leopard would probably lose 999/1000 times against a tiger, but The numbers of death would be lower... That's all I'm saying.  (09-02-2014, 03:21 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:That little tigress is no near 3 years old, and up to 4 years is out of discussion. That is probably 1.5, maybe 2 years old. Even here canines are very small. This is Cinderella, a 1.5 years old Amur tigress of 94 kg:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author See the difference in size, and taking in count that Amur and Bengal tigers are of the same size, that Bengal tigress killed by the leopard was: 1. A very young/cub tigress. 2. A dwarf but still young tigress.  (09-01-2014, 07:42 PM)Apollo Wrote: I do understand your point. We are in agreement that if the tiger/lion is in a killing mode, than jaguar has little chance to defend himself. We are also in agreement that tiger/lion would chase off jaguar quite easily. But I´m talking about yet different situation (and about captive animals, ofc - as they can´t meet each other in nature :) ) 
Credit to Chris Brunskill
According to him - "I had an incredible encounter yesterday on the Rio Piquiri here in Mato Grosso. We found an old, battered Jaguar who looked on the brink on death lying in the open on the riverbank. She had a large wound on her stomach and even from long range looked to be in a terrible state. After about 30 minutes she got up and started walking in the shallow water adjacent to the riverbank looking specifically for Caiman, the favourite prey of the Jaguars here in the Pantanal. The light was very harsh, so after taking a few pictures of her I decided to sit and watch for a while. Our boat was in the perfect place, expertly positioned my my guide and friend Oélio Falcão and for five minutes I didn't take a single frame. Suddenly and without warning there was a large splash in the water and after a couple of seconds the cat appeared with a large caiman in her jaws! Quickly changing my exposure, I managed to take five frames in less than a half a second before the caiman somehow escaped from her grasp before completely disappearing from view. I have spent almost six weeks down here in the last two years and yesterday in the blink of an eye I managed to capture an image I had dreamed about since my first trip on the river back in October 2012."  *This image is copyright of its original author Copyright to Chris  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
A Massive Jaguar image from Pantanal Brazil.
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Great videos, every video about jaguar behavior is very important as jaguars are among the less studied great cats.
What we learn from these videos: 1. Jaguar tails are very short and robust, the first video show it and it is probably an adaptation to the aquatic environment. 2. Snakes are in great disadvantage with the great cats. Those stage videos of phytons and old tigers are simply fake, check that when the great cat is fully wild and had its teeth, it is a great hunter and manage the snake very well. I guess that not even the largest anaconda is a rival for the jaguars. 3. Any animal in the jaguar's territory can be its prey. No species is safe. 4. Rivers are not good indicators of separations of subspecies for tigers and jaguars. These great cats can manage strong rivers very well. 5. It is amazing to see how the jaguar climb the tree naturally, not like some captive cats that are lured to do it. 5. The hunt of the capibara is amazing, check how the jaguar take the prey by the skull and force it to cover to finish the kill. Despite the image, I see no difference between the claws of the jaguar and the tiger/lion. All have evolved for the same work, to grasp and cut the prey perfectly. Interestingly, the colossal squid also developed this same weapons! |
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