Lions in West-Africa

[Spalea]

(01-25-2019, 04:33 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(01-25-2019, 12:56 AM)Spalea Wrote:

(01-24-2019, 06:15 PM)Lycaon Wrote: I find it interesting that many people on this forum think west african lions look like gir lions. For me they look completely different from each other

They have common characteristics  (because they both live in dry environments) but they don't resemble each other. I don't know how to describe that but I find that the west african lions have clearly the mouth of African lions (better built).

Mostly because they belong to the same subspecies, hence in a similar environment they would expose to many common traits.

The West African lions genetically cluster with the historical lions from Southeast Europe/North Africa/West Asia, also the Gir lions.

Agree. "The same causes produce the same effects". We gave a term to this: "évolution parallèle" in french, parallel development or parallel evolution.
However, thousands of kilometers separate the west african lions from the Gir lions. This parallel evolution isn't whole ('), complete. Reply

[BorneanTiger]

(01-25-2019, 12:02 PM)Lycaon Wrote: Here is a beautiful male in waza national park Cameroon

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Photographer Ralph Buij

Though Cameroon is regarded as being both a Western and Central African country, these lions are apparently of the 'Central' clade (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep30807?WT.feed_name=subjects_evolution), but then, the neighbouring West African country Nigeria has both Western and Central lion clades: https://www.researchgate.net/publication...nthera_leo Reply

[Lycaon]

@BorneanTiger 

I guess this picture can belong in both topics. Reply

[Lycaon]

This pride of lions trapped a baboon for their cubs 

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[Matimbalani]

(01-25-2019, 06:59 PM)Lycaon Wrote: This pride of lions trapped a baboon for their cubs 

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Damn! Can't be fun to be in that position. Reply

[Lycaon]

This lioness got her tail bit off by another pride member

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But later on healed up quite nicely 

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Photographer doko l flrorent

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[GrizzlyClaws]

(01-25-2019, 12:34 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(01-25-2019, 04:33 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(01-25-2019, 12:56 AM)Spalea Wrote:

(01-24-2019, 06:15 PM)Lycaon Wrote: I find it interesting that many people on this forum think west african lions look like gir lions. For me they look completely different from each other

They have common characteristics  (because they both live in dry environments) but they don't resemble each other. I don't know how to describe that but I find that the west african lions have clearly the mouth of African lions (better built).

Mostly because they belong to the same subspecies, hence in a similar environment they would expose to many common traits.

The West African lions genetically cluster with the historical lions from Southeast Europe/North Africa/West Asia, also the Gir lions.

Agree. "The same causes produce the same effects". We gave a term to this: "évolution parallèle" in french, parallel development or parallel evolution.
However, thousands of kilometers separate the west african lions from the Gir lions. This parallel evolution isn't whole ('), complete.

Th West African lions were ancestral to the Gir lions, so the Gir lions might still exhibit or retain some of their ancestral traits in some conditional situations; like the sparse mane, except the Gir lions are more deformed due the inbreeding.

The inter-subspecfic variation of the West African lion group is huge; from the sparse maned Gir lions to the long dark maned Barbary lions.

When the West African lions moved to the mountainous areas in North Africa, they did immediately evolve with the long dark mane and shaggy coat to resist the low temperature.

Also, the Gir lions might look like the West African lions from 110,000 years ago, while the modern West African lions have been continuously interbred with other African lion populations, so the divergent differences have already existed long time ago. Reply

[Lycaon]

©Sébastien Sureau

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[Sanju]

(01-26-2019, 12:22 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(01-25-2019, 12:34 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(01-25-2019, 04:33 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(01-25-2019, 12:56 AM)Spalea Wrote:

(01-24-2019, 06:15 PM)Lycaon Wrote: I find it interesting that many people on this forum think west african lions look like gir lions. For me they look completely different from each other

They have common characteristics  (because they both live in dry environments) but they don't resemble each other. I don't know how to describe that but I find that the west african lions have clearly the mouth of African lions (better built).

Mostly because they belong to the same subspecies, hence in a similar environment they would expose to many common traits.

The West African lions genetically cluster with the historical lions from Southeast Europe/North Africa/West Asia, also the Gir lions.

Agree. "The same causes produce the same effects". We gave a term to this: "évolution parallèle" in french, parallel development or parallel evolution.
However, thousands of kilometers separate the west african lions from the Gir lions. This parallel evolution isn't whole ('), complete.

Th West African lions were ancestral to the Gir lions, so the Gir lions might still exhibit or retain some of their ancestral traits in some conditional situations; like the sparse mane, except the Gir lions are more deformed due the inbreeding.

The inter-subspecfic variation of the West African lion group is huge; from the sparse maned Gir lions to the long dark maned Barbary lions.

When the West African lions moved to the mountainous areas in North Africa, they did immediately evolve with the long dark mane and shaggy coat to resist the low temperature.

Also, the Gir lions might look like the West African lions from 110,000 years ago, while the modern West African lions have continuously interbred with other African lion populations, so the divergent differences have already existed long time ago.

Yes! Completely agreed Reply

[Lycaon]

The same group of lions allowed hyenas to pick at their leftover buffalo kill

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Photographer Clément Aubert  Reply

[Lycaon]

The diet of lions in pendjari national park benin

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[Lycaon]

How it could relate to conservation

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[Lycaon]

A big headed male with a female

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[Lycaon]

Strange vintage depiction of a west african lion

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[Lycaon]

Some more photos of pendjari lions 

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Photograoher Doko L. Florent Reply