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(01-22-2019, 10:43 PM)Pckts Wrote: Blurry Video





the old Sariska Tigress and Leopard account




Awsome find! I have looked for that first video of the tigress killing that leopard for years! 
Thanks for shareing!
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(01-22-2019, 10:43 PM)Pckts Wrote: Blurry Video





the old Sariska Tigress and Leopard account



"Sariska leopard" looks like to be very small... not much bigger than a cub. That other case looked like adult. But then again some female leopards can be very small. But when knowing, that big male might be even 90 kg, that Sariska leopard looks like miniature :)
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I noticed this one. Maybe old news, but it is no news that tigers are not as agile as leopards.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k...576794.ece

Looks like, that D. Rajkumar in that article is the man here in next link, so looks like to be quite credible article.

http://enarada.com/committed-to-a-passio...-wildlife/
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(01-23-2019, 06:31 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed this one. Maybe old news, but it is no news that tigers are not as agile as leopards.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k...576794.ece

Looks like, that D. Rajkumar in that article is the man here in next link, so looks like to be quite credible article.

http://enarada.com/committed-to-a-passio...-wildlife/

Along with the link, copy-paste the contents like this as well. (But always download & re-upload pictures here. The forum has lost many old images because the original source was removed after sometime.)


Tiger found dead in freak accident in Nagarahole

R. Krishna Kumar
MYSURU:, AUGUST 25, 2015

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A tiger was found dead under a culvert at Balle in the D.B. Kuppe range of Nagarahole National Park due to injuries sustained in a freak accident.

The tiger’s carcass was found late on Sunday night and post-mortem and examination of the scene on Monday indicated that there were injuries on its face, which had a deep gnash near the eye, apart from internal haemorrhage due to shock or injury.
The injury itself is said to have been caused by a fall from a significant height while chasing another predator — suspected to be a leopard. D. Rajkumar representing the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA) to ascertain the actual sequence of events, told The Hindu that a territorial fight took place past midnight on Saturday at Balle.

“Forester Shekaraiah, who was asleep in his quarters, woke up with a start with the sound of terrifying growls followed by the rattling of the windows and shattering of the glass panes.
He panicked when there was movement on the roof top of his tiled house and screamed for help, following which RFO Vinaykumar and driver Krishna were alerted and informed of predators in the vicinity,” according to Mr. Rajkumar.

On Sunday morning Shekaraiah, who ventured out of his house, found blood stains on the window and broken panes.

The Forest Department staff fanned out and combed Mastigudi, Barballe, and Kakanakote, but there was no trace of the animal. However, they stumbled upon a broken piece of canine, which was suspected to be that of a tiger. By evening, the forest guards and officials stumbled upon the carcass of the tiger at Karadihalla, below a culvert.

It is suspected that the leopard jumped to the rooftop to escape from the tiger, which persisted in chasing it, climbed a nearby mound of mud and heaved itself to reach the leopard only to come crashing down, its face injured by the edge of the window, while the leopard escaped.

“There were pug marks of the tiger on the mound and the gnash on the face was from the fall, which corroborates our suspicion,” said Mr. Rajkumar. Besides, the broken canine and a portion of its nails found nearby matched with the tiger, he added. “It is the first such death of a tiger I have witnessed since 2009,” he added.
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(01-23-2019, 06:43 PM)Rishi Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:31 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed this one. Maybe old news, but it is no news that tigers are not as agile as leopards.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k...576794.ece

Looks like, that D. Rajkumar in that article is the man here in next link, so looks like to be quite credible article.

http://enarada.com/committed-to-a-passio...-wildlife/

Along with the link, copy-paste the contents like this as well. (But always download & re-upload pictures here. The forum has lost many old images because the original source was removed after sometime.)


Tiger found dead in freak accident in Nagarahole

R. Krishna Kumar
MYSURU:, AUGUST 25, 2015

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A tiger was found dead under a culvert at Balle in the D.B. Kuppe range of Nagarahole National Park due to injuries sustained in a freak accident.

The tiger’s carcass was found late on Sunday night and post-mortem and examination of the scene on Monday indicated that there were injuries on its face, which had a deep gnash near the eye, apart from internal haemorrhage due to shock or injury.
The injury itself is said to have been caused by a fall from a significant height while chasing another predator — suspected to be a leopard. D. Rajkumar representing the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA) to ascertain the actual sequence of events, told The Hindu that a territorial fight took place past midnight on Saturday at Balle.

“Forester Shekaraiah, who was asleep in his quarters, woke up with a start with the sound of terrifying growls followed by the rattling of the windows and shattering of the glass panes.
He panicked when there was movement on the roof top of his tiled house and screamed for help, following which RFO Vinaykumar and driver Krishna were alerted and informed of predators in the vicinity,” according to Mr. Rajkumar.

On Sunday morning Shekaraiah, who ventured out of his house, found blood stains on the window and broken panes.

The Forest Department staff fanned out and combed Mastigudi, Barballe, and Kakanakote, but there was no trace of the animal. However, they stumbled upon a broken piece of canine, which was suspected to be that of a tiger. By evening, the forest guards and officials stumbled upon the carcass of the tiger at Karadihalla, below a culvert.

It is suspected that the leopard jumped to the rooftop to escape from the tiger, which persisted in chasing it, climbed a nearby mound of mud and heaved itself to reach the leopard only to come crashing down, its face injured by the edge of the window, while the leopard escaped.

“There were pug marks of the tiger on the mound and the gnash on the face was from the fall, which corroborates our suspicion,” said Mr. Rajkumar. Besides, the broken canine and a portion of its nails found nearby matched with the tiger, he added. “It is the first such death of a tiger I have witnessed since 2009,” he added.

Hmmmm.... I try with this one.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/t...443203.ece

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Tiger, leopard found dead in Mudumalai Tiger Reserve

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D. Radhakrishnan

UDHAGAMANDALAM:, FEBRUARY 13, 2011 23:58 IST
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Forest staff examining the carcass of a tiger at the Mudumalai Tiger Reserve, near Udhagamandalam on Sunday. Photo: M. Sathyamoorthy  


A tiger and a leopard were found dead in the Mudumalai Tiger Reserve (MTR) near here on Sunday.
Field Director, MTR, Rajiv K. Srivastava, told TheHindu that anti-poaching watchers had come across the carcasses of the tiger at Manjukaadu near Moyar along the MTR-Sigur border and the leopard inside a bamboo clump.
Pointing out that the tiger was a sub-adult female aged about four years and the leopard was a male aged about nine years, he said that preliminary investigations aided by the blood stains found on the spot indicated that the two had died about 24 to 30 hours ago in a fight.
The leopard had sustained extensive injuries.
“Though there were no indications of poisoning or any other kind of foul play, we are not taking any chances”, Mr. Srivastava said and added that the carcass of the tiger would be kept in a freezer.
A post-mortem was conducted by a forest veterinarian.



Rishi, there should be same article also with photos of that leopard, maybe in article written in hindi? Do you know that, it would be interesting to see also that leopard.
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@Shadow Good enough.

But please don't link pictures directly, EVER!

Old news reports get removed... fb/twitter posts get deleted... websites get shut...
The copied text will stay, but the images will become defunct. (See the first few pages of any old thread) Like this:


*This image is copyright of its original author

Always download the full image & re-upload here.
That way only the link to the source will get useless, but the contents will stay! Like
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(01-23-2019, 06:52 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:43 PM)Rishi Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:31 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed this one. Maybe old news, but it is no news that tigers are not as agile as leopards.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k...576794.ece

Looks like, that D. Rajkumar in that article is the man here in next link, so looks like to be quite credible article.

http://enarada.com/committed-to-a-passio...-wildlife/

Along with the link, copy-paste the contents like this as well. (But always download & re-upload pictures here. The forum has lost many old images because the original source was removed after sometime.)


Tiger found dead in freak accident in Nagarahole

R. Krishna Kumar
MYSURU:, AUGUST 25, 2015

*This image is copyright of its original author


A tiger was found dead under a culvert at Balle in the D.B. Kuppe range of Nagarahole National Park due to injuries sustained in a freak accident.

The tiger’s carcass was found late on Sunday night and post-mortem and examination of the scene on Monday indicated that there were injuries on its face, which had a deep gnash near the eye, apart from internal haemorrhage due to shock or injury.
The injury itself is said to have been caused by a fall from a significant height while chasing another predator — suspected to be a leopard. D. Rajkumar representing the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA) to ascertain the actual sequence of events, told The Hindu that a territorial fight took place past midnight on Saturday at Balle.

“Forester Shekaraiah, who was asleep in his quarters, woke up with a start with the sound of terrifying growls followed by the rattling of the windows and shattering of the glass panes.
He panicked when there was movement on the roof top of his tiled house and screamed for help, following which RFO Vinaykumar and driver Krishna were alerted and informed of predators in the vicinity,” according to Mr. Rajkumar.

On Sunday morning Shekaraiah, who ventured out of his house, found blood stains on the window and broken panes.

The Forest Department staff fanned out and combed Mastigudi, Barballe, and Kakanakote, but there was no trace of the animal. However, they stumbled upon a broken piece of canine, which was suspected to be that of a tiger. By evening, the forest guards and officials stumbled upon the carcass of the tiger at Karadihalla, below a culvert.

It is suspected that the leopard jumped to the rooftop to escape from the tiger, which persisted in chasing it, climbed a nearby mound of mud and heaved itself to reach the leopard only to come crashing down, its face injured by the edge of the window, while the leopard escaped.

“There were pug marks of the tiger on the mound and the gnash on the face was from the fall, which corroborates our suspicion,” said Mr. Rajkumar. Besides, the broken canine and a portion of its nails found nearby matched with the tiger, he added. “It is the first such death of a tiger I have witnessed since 2009,” he added.

Hmmmm.... I try with this one.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/t...443203.ece

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Tiger, leopard found dead in Mudumalai Tiger Reserve

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D. Radhakrishnan

UDHAGAMANDALAM:, FEBRUARY 13, 2011 23:58 IST
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Forest staff examining the carcass of a tiger at the Mudumalai Tiger Reserve, near Udhagamandalam on Sunday. Photo: M. Sathyamoorthy  


A tiger and a leopard were found dead in the Mudumalai Tiger Reserve (MTR) near here on Sunday.
Field Director, MTR, Rajiv K. Srivastava, told TheHindu that anti-poaching watchers had come across the carcasses of the tiger at Manjukaadu near Moyar along the MTR-Sigur border and the leopard inside a bamboo clump.
Pointing out that the tiger was a sub-adult female aged about four years and the leopard was a male aged about nine years, he said that preliminary investigations aided by the blood stains found on the spot indicated that the two had died about 24 to 30 hours ago in a fight.
The leopard had sustained extensive injuries.
“Though there were no indications of poisoning or any other kind of foul play, we are not taking any chances”, Mr. Srivastava said and added that the carcass of the tiger would be kept in a freezer.
A post-mortem was conducted by a forest veterinarian.



Rishi, there should be same article also with photos of that leopard, maybe in article written in hindi? Do you know that, it would be interesting to see also that leopard.

i've never heard of two leopards killing each other,two lions killing each other or two tigers killing each other let alone a 4 yr old adult tigress and male leopard killing each other this and the death of the backwater male and others are among the most suspicious deaths i've seen over the years..they don't make sense..like what?
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(01-23-2019, 09:03 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:52 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:43 PM)Rishi Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:31 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed this one. Maybe old news, but it is no news that tigers are not as agile as leopards.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k...576794.ece

Looks like, that D. Rajkumar in that article is the man here in next link, so looks like to be quite credible article.

http://enarada.com/committed-to-a-passio...-wildlife/

Along with the link, copy-paste the contents like this as well. (But always download & re-upload pictures here. The forum has lost many old images because the original source was removed after sometime.)


Tiger found dead in freak accident in Nagarahole

R. Krishna Kumar
MYSURU:, AUGUST 25, 2015

*This image is copyright of its original author


A tiger was found dead under a culvert at Balle in the D.B. Kuppe range of Nagarahole National Park due to injuries sustained in a freak accident.

The tiger’s carcass was found late on Sunday night and post-mortem and examination of the scene on Monday indicated that there were injuries on its face, which had a deep gnash near the eye, apart from internal haemorrhage due to shock or injury.
The injury itself is said to have been caused by a fall from a significant height while chasing another predator — suspected to be a leopard. D. Rajkumar representing the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA) to ascertain the actual sequence of events, told The Hindu that a territorial fight took place past midnight on Saturday at Balle.

“Forester Shekaraiah, who was asleep in his quarters, woke up with a start with the sound of terrifying growls followed by the rattling of the windows and shattering of the glass panes.
He panicked when there was movement on the roof top of his tiled house and screamed for help, following which RFO Vinaykumar and driver Krishna were alerted and informed of predators in the vicinity,” according to Mr. Rajkumar.

On Sunday morning Shekaraiah, who ventured out of his house, found blood stains on the window and broken panes.

The Forest Department staff fanned out and combed Mastigudi, Barballe, and Kakanakote, but there was no trace of the animal. However, they stumbled upon a broken piece of canine, which was suspected to be that of a tiger. By evening, the forest guards and officials stumbled upon the carcass of the tiger at Karadihalla, below a culvert.

It is suspected that the leopard jumped to the rooftop to escape from the tiger, which persisted in chasing it, climbed a nearby mound of mud and heaved itself to reach the leopard only to come crashing down, its face injured by the edge of the window, while the leopard escaped.

“There were pug marks of the tiger on the mound and the gnash on the face was from the fall, which corroborates our suspicion,” said Mr. Rajkumar. Besides, the broken canine and a portion of its nails found nearby matched with the tiger, he added. “It is the first such death of a tiger I have witnessed since 2009,” he added.

Hmmmm.... I try with this one.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/t...443203.ece

TAMIL NADU
Tiger, leopard found dead in Mudumalai Tiger Reserve

*This image is copyright of its original author
D. Radhakrishnan

UDHAGAMANDALAM:, FEBRUARY 13, 2011 23:58 IST
UPDATED: FEBRUARY 14, 2011 03:55 IST
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Forest staff examining the carcass of a tiger at the Mudumalai Tiger Reserve, near Udhagamandalam on Sunday. Photo: M. Sathyamoorthy  


A tiger and a leopard were found dead in the Mudumalai Tiger Reserve (MTR) near here on Sunday.
Field Director, MTR, Rajiv K. Srivastava, told TheHindu that anti-poaching watchers had come across the carcasses of the tiger at Manjukaadu near Moyar along the MTR-Sigur border and the leopard inside a bamboo clump.
Pointing out that the tiger was a sub-adult female aged about four years and the leopard was a male aged about nine years, he said that preliminary investigations aided by the blood stains found on the spot indicated that the two had died about 24 to 30 hours ago in a fight.
The leopard had sustained extensive injuries.
“Though there were no indications of poisoning or any other kind of foul play, we are not taking any chances”, Mr. Srivastava said and added that the carcass of the tiger would be kept in a freezer.
A post-mortem was conducted by a forest veterinarian.



Rishi, there should be same article also with photos of that leopard, maybe in article written in hindi? Do you know that, it would be interesting to see also that leopard.

i've never heard of two leopards killing each other,two lions killing each other or two tigers killing each other let alone a 4 yr old adult tigress and male leopard killing each other this and the death of the backwater male and others are among the most suspicious deaths i've seen over the years..they don't make sense..like what?
Why it wouldn´t make any sense if there is a tiger trying to kill a leopard, that both dead? I don´t understand what is so special in that?
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(01-23-2019, 09:15 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 09:03 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:52 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:43 PM)Rishi Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:31 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed this one. Maybe old news, but it is no news that tigers are not as agile as leopards.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k...576794.ece

Looks like, that D. Rajkumar in that article is the man here in next link, so looks like to be quite credible article.

http://enarada.com/committed-to-a-passio...-wildlife/

Along with the link, copy-paste the contents like this as well. (But always download & re-upload pictures here. The forum has lost many old images because the original source was removed after sometime.)


Tiger found dead in freak accident in Nagarahole

R. Krishna Kumar
MYSURU:, AUGUST 25, 2015

*This image is copyright of its original author


A tiger was found dead under a culvert at Balle in the D.B. Kuppe range of Nagarahole National Park due to injuries sustained in a freak accident.

The tiger’s carcass was found late on Sunday night and post-mortem and examination of the scene on Monday indicated that there were injuries on its face, which had a deep gnash near the eye, apart from internal haemorrhage due to shock or injury.
The injury itself is said to have been caused by a fall from a significant height while chasing another predator — suspected to be a leopard. D. Rajkumar representing the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA) to ascertain the actual sequence of events, told The Hindu that a territorial fight took place past midnight on Saturday at Balle.

“Forester Shekaraiah, who was asleep in his quarters, woke up with a start with the sound of terrifying growls followed by the rattling of the windows and shattering of the glass panes.
He panicked when there was movement on the roof top of his tiled house and screamed for help, following which RFO Vinaykumar and driver Krishna were alerted and informed of predators in the vicinity,” according to Mr. Rajkumar.

On Sunday morning Shekaraiah, who ventured out of his house, found blood stains on the window and broken panes.

The Forest Department staff fanned out and combed Mastigudi, Barballe, and Kakanakote, but there was no trace of the animal. However, they stumbled upon a broken piece of canine, which was suspected to be that of a tiger. By evening, the forest guards and officials stumbled upon the carcass of the tiger at Karadihalla, below a culvert.

It is suspected that the leopard jumped to the rooftop to escape from the tiger, which persisted in chasing it, climbed a nearby mound of mud and heaved itself to reach the leopard only to come crashing down, its face injured by the edge of the window, while the leopard escaped.

“There were pug marks of the tiger on the mound and the gnash on the face was from the fall, which corroborates our suspicion,” said Mr. Rajkumar. Besides, the broken canine and a portion of its nails found nearby matched with the tiger, he added. “It is the first such death of a tiger I have witnessed since 2009,” he added.

Hmmmm.... I try with this one.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/t...443203.ece

TAMIL NADU
Tiger, leopard found dead in Mudumalai Tiger Reserve

*This image is copyright of its original author
D. Radhakrishnan

UDHAGAMANDALAM:, FEBRUARY 13, 2011 23:58 IST
UPDATED: FEBRUARY 14, 2011 03:55 IST
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Forest staff examining the carcass of a tiger at the Mudumalai Tiger Reserve, near Udhagamandalam on Sunday. Photo: M. Sathyamoorthy  


A tiger and a leopard were found dead in the Mudumalai Tiger Reserve (MTR) near here on Sunday.
Field Director, MTR, Rajiv K. Srivastava, told TheHindu that anti-poaching watchers had come across the carcasses of the tiger at Manjukaadu near Moyar along the MTR-Sigur border and the leopard inside a bamboo clump.
Pointing out that the tiger was a sub-adult female aged about four years and the leopard was a male aged about nine years, he said that preliminary investigations aided by the blood stains found on the spot indicated that the two had died about 24 to 30 hours ago in a fight.
The leopard had sustained extensive injuries.
“Though there were no indications of poisoning or any other kind of foul play, we are not taking any chances”, Mr. Srivastava said and added that the carcass of the tiger would be kept in a freezer.
A post-mortem was conducted by a forest veterinarian.



Rishi, there should be same article also with photos of that leopard, maybe in article written in hindi? Do you know that, it would be interesting to see also that leopard.

i've never heard of two leopards killing each other,two lions killing each other or two tigers killing each other let alone a 4 yr old adult tigress and male leopard killing each other this and the death of the backwater male and others are among the most suspicious deaths i've seen over the years..they don't make sense..like what?
Why it wouldn´t make any sense if there is a tiger trying to kill a leopard, that both dead? I don´t understand what is so special in that?

I mean, both have sharp teeth and claws, if not able to get upper hand, there can be a situation where both get big cuts and badly injured, I think, that you have seen wounded predators in photos many times. If a wild boar can inflict wounds killing a tiger, what do you think, that a leopard can do if/when tigers attack isn´t 100% success? It is obvious, that tiger gets injuries too, smaller or bigger if leopard is fighting of it´s life and gets any opportunity to claw back etc. It has more than big enough claws to penetrate tiger skin too.

For sure tiger usually has upper hand, but big leopard is no joke. Not even for a tiger even though it flees when possible. When cornered, any animal give everything it has to fight for life. And leopard happens to have what to give.
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In this video male lions get two lessons from leopards about climbing :) Not the brightest moments for these lions, nothing majestic in those performances :) Then one confrontation between a leopard and lioness, where leopard obviously makes lioness consider a moment even though then leopard flees. Last is short meeting with lioness and leopard, but nothing dramatic there. 




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Here one example, cornered leopard with some advantage same time from place where it is limiting possibilities for these lionesses. Surprise element long gone for some reason.

But imagine there only one determined lioness or tigress, which would attack furiously against all the odds in that situation. There would be a total mess with eight paws with sharp claws etc. and no-one could be sure about the outcome. This is why I am not so surprised if there are rare cases, where tiger is killed by a leopard or both animals dead. It would be nice to get more information though, more photos of injuries etc. I can understand if being cautious, when something rare seems to happen, but rare isn´t same as impossible.




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(01-23-2019, 10:27 PM)Shadow Wrote: Here one example, cornered leopard with some advantage same time from place where it is limiting possibilities for these lionesses. Surprise element long gone for some reason.

But imagine there only one determined lioness or tigress, which would attack furiously against all the odds in that situation. There would be a total mess with eight paws with sharp claws etc. and no-one could be sure about the outcome. This is why I am not so surprised if there are rare cases, where tiger is killed by a leopard or both animals dead. It would be nice to get more information though, more photos of injuries etc. I can understand if being cautious, when something rare seems to happen, but rare isn´t same as impossible.





If an adult healthy lioness or tigress went all in to kill a leopard they would kill the leopard, and leave with only some bad cuts. The tigress killed by the leopard was still young and small, I have seen 4 lionesses attack 1 lioness with intention to kill and the lioness survives, and a dosin hyenas attacking a lone lioness, but she still survive, one leopard imo dosen’t have enough power to kill a lioness or a tigress before him himself would be dead. Cats can take a beating, and are durable as hell, but a lioness or tigress would snap the neck or back of a leopard quickly because of their superior size. 



Video which shows the tremendous durability of a lioness, she survives this attack. Imo there isn’t a chance a lone leopard could kill a healthy adult one of these or a evenly matched tigress.

Young and very old lionesses/tigresses is another story.
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(01-23-2019, 11:00 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 10:27 PM)Shadow Wrote: Here one example, cornered leopard with some advantage same time from place where it is limiting possibilities for these lionesses. Surprise element long gone for some reason.

But imagine there only one determined lioness or tigress, which would attack furiously against all the odds in that situation. There would be a total mess with eight paws with sharp claws etc. and no-one could be sure about the outcome. This is why I am not so surprised if there are rare cases, where tiger is killed by a leopard or both animals dead. It would be nice to get more information though, more photos of injuries etc. I can understand if being cautious, when something rare seems to happen, but rare isn´t same as impossible.





If an adult healthy lioness or tigress went all in to kill a leopard they would kill the leopard, and leave with only some bad cuts. The tigress killed by the leopard was still young and small, I have seen 4 lionesses attack 1 lioness with intention to kill and the lioness survives, and a dosin hyenas attacking a lone lioness, but she still survive, one leopard imo dosen’t have enough power to kill a lioness or a tigress before him himself would be dead. Cats can take a beating, and are durable as hell, but a lioness or tigress would snap the neck or back of a leopard quickly because of their superior size. 



Video which shows the tremendous durability of a lioness, she survives this attack. Imo there isn’t a chance a lone leopard could kill a healthy adult one of these or a evenly matched tigress.

Young and very old lionesses/tigresses is another story.

I am not as confident as you are with outcome. I mean, if we have 10 cases, could be easily 10/10. But if 100, I would be surprised if no dead tigers too. But these are things, which can be seen in somewhat different ways and maybe no point to argue about small things, when overall opinion is quite same. So little things can change whole situation as some examples from zoos prove. I mean sometimes one lucky paw swipe can kill an animal and sometimes fight and struggle can go on long times and no dead animals there.

So when you say maybe impossible, I say not likely, but in rare occasions possible :)
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(01-23-2019, 11:09 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 11:00 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 10:27 PM)Shadow Wrote: Here one example, cornered leopard with some advantage same time from place where it is limiting possibilities for these lionesses. Surprise element long gone for some reason.

But imagine there only one determined lioness or tigress, which would attack furiously against all the odds in that situation. There would be a total mess with eight paws with sharp claws etc. and no-one could be sure about the outcome. This is why I am not so surprised if there are rare cases, where tiger is killed by a leopard or both animals dead. It would be nice to get more information though, more photos of injuries etc. I can understand if being cautious, when something rare seems to happen, but rare isn´t same as impossible.





If an adult healthy lioness or tigress went all in to kill a leopard they would kill the leopard, and leave with only some bad cuts. The tigress killed by the leopard was still young and small, I have seen 4 lionesses attack 1 lioness with intention to kill and the lioness survives, and a dosin hyenas attacking a lone lioness, but she still survive, one leopard imo dosen’t have enough power to kill a lioness or a tigress before him himself would be dead. Cats can take a beating, and are durable as hell, but a lioness or tigress would snap the neck or back of a leopard quickly because of their superior size. 



Video which shows the tremendous durability of a lioness, she survives this attack. Imo there isn’t a chance a lone leopard could kill a healthy adult one of these or a evenly matched tigress.

Young and very old lionesses/tigresses is another story.

I am not as confident as you are with outcome. I mean, if we have 10 cases, could be easily 10/10. But if 100, I would be surprised if no dead tigers too. But these are things, which can be seen in somewhat different ways and maybe no point to argue about small things, when overall opinion is quite same. So little things can change whole situation as some examples from zoos prove. I mean sometimes one lucky paw swipe can kill an animal and sometimes fight and struggle can go on long times and no dead animals there.

So when you say maybe impossible, I say not likely, but in rare occasions possible :)
Ofc there can be a freak accident, like a deep cut that makes the lioness/tigress to bleed to death, but that would be very difficult. 
Imo they are just a little to big and powerful size matters in nature especially if it’s very similar buildt animals like three cat species. Also zoo animals I don’t add into the discussion you can never know the condition of the animals. In a zoo it might be possible, but in the wild it’s to hard for a leopard 999/1000
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(01-23-2019, 11:09 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 11:00 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 10:27 PM)Shadow Wrote: Here one example, cornered leopard with some advantage same time from place where it is limiting possibilities for these lionesses. Surprise element long gone for some reason.

But imagine there only one determined lioness or tigress, which would attack furiously against all the odds in that situation. There would be a total mess with eight paws with sharp claws etc. and no-one could be sure about the outcome. This is why I am not so surprised if there are rare cases, where tiger is killed by a leopard or both animals dead. It would be nice to get more information though, more photos of injuries etc. I can understand if being cautious, when something rare seems to happen, but rare isn´t same as impossible.





If an adult healthy lioness or tigress went all in to kill a leopard they would kill the leopard, and leave with only some bad cuts. The tigress killed by the leopard was still young and small, I have seen 4 lionesses attack 1 lioness with intention to kill and the lioness survives, and a dosin hyenas attacking a lone lioness, but she still survive, one leopard imo dosen’t have enough power to kill a lioness or a tigress before him himself would be dead. Cats can take a beating, and are durable as hell, but a lioness or tigress would snap the neck or back of a leopard quickly because of their superior size. 



Video which shows the tremendous durability of a lioness, she survives this attack. Imo there isn’t a chance a lone leopard could kill a healthy adult one of these or a evenly matched tigress.

Young and very old lionesses/tigresses is another story.

I am not as confident as you are with outcome. I mean, if we have 10 cases, could be easily 10/10. But if 100, I would be surprised if no dead tigers too. But these are things, which can be seen in somewhat different ways and maybe no point to argue about small things, when overall opinion is quite same. So little things can change whole situation as some examples from zoos prove. I mean sometimes one lucky paw swipe can kill an animal and sometimes fight and struggle can go on long times and no dead animals there.

So when you say maybe impossible, I say not likely, but in rare occasions possible :)

I think what he means is that a Lion or Tiger if it were so inclined it can kill the Leopard, the leopard being a carnivore has weapons that are used to kill or defend but the odds of them being able to get a hold of the Throat on a cat that outweighs them by 100kg at least is a long shot. But could a wound cause the Lion or Tiger to die in the long run, absolutely. But it's not like a Leopard is going to put up a territorial fight, it's going to put up a defensive fight which means it's going to be a buzzsaw trying to inflict enough damage to force a release and escape.

But without a doubt, there is only one ruler of the African Plains and the Indian Jungles and all Leopards give way to them.
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