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The Proboscidea of the Past

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American mastodon
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Straight tusked elephant
Palaeoxodon antiquus
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What is the predator for Palaeoloxodon namadicus besides Homonids?
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(05-01-2018, 07:04 PM)Wolverine Wrote: No, no, from that giant has survived only a front part of the femur, this skull on the photo is from another smaller specimen, there are quite a few residuals from diferent Paleoloxodons discovered in India. Actually the painting of that colossal specimen is posted in page 1 of this thread by Tigerluver - post 1, very bottom of post 1 right side.

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-the-pro...f-the-past

Where is now this partial broken femur, I guess nobody from Western scientists have seen that bone from decades, the conclusion that Paleoloxodon namadicus was the largest land mammal ever in the article is based I guess only on old descriptions and paintings of the femur, I could be wrong. 

Its curious why British in 19 century didn't steal that fossils as they usually did in their former colonies?... Probably they didn't realise the colossal size of the specimen to which belonged that femur.
During the British Raj Calcutta as you know was the capital of British India and probably had the second highest density of genius people in the world after London.

BTW  i visited Kolkata museum in the meantime & asked some staff. According to them, it was never there.

I suggest you send an email to the administrative body for confirmation. If its in India, they'll know.
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(11-28-2018, 09:38 AM)Rishi Wrote:
(05-01-2018, 07:04 PM)Wolverine Wrote: No, no, from that giant has survived only a front part of the femur, this skull on the photo is from another smaller specimen, there are quite a few residuals from diferent Paleoloxodons discovered in India. Actually the painting of that colossal specimen is posted in page 1 of this thread by Tigerluver - post 1, very bottom of post 1 right side.

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-the-pro...f-the-past

Where is now this partial broken femur, I guess nobody from Western scientists have seen that bone from decades, the conclusion that Paleoloxodon namadicus was the largest land mammal ever in the article is based I guess only on old descriptions and paintings of the femur, I could be wrong. 

Its curious why British in 19 century didn't steal that fossils as they usually did in their former colonies?... Probably they didn't realise the colossal size of the specimen to which belonged that femur.
During the British Raj Calcutta as you know was the capital of British India and probably had the second highest density of genius people in the world after London.

BTW  i visited Kolkata museum in the meantime & asked some staff. According to them, it was never there.

I suggest you send an email to the administrative body for confirmation. If its in India, they'll know.
Strange, do you see on the very bottom on the right a gigantic fraction of bone - this bone according to the article should be in Kolkata, page 559
https://www.app.pan.pl/archive/published...362014.pdf


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If this bone is not in Kolkata than probably it cant be proved that Paleoloxodon namadicus is the largest mammal ever. 
But here we need the opinion of profesional paleontologists.
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@Wolverine that's why i suggested to contact the museum authorities. The regular staff may not know much.

Plus, with the whole place being renovated it's also possible that it isn't on public display.
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Taken from the book End of the Megafauna (Ross D.E. MacPHEE)

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The giant P. namadicus has probably gone missing (forever?). This isn't a new trend for collections unfortunately. Moreover, fragments are almost never on public display as they are not that interesting for the average consumer. Fortunately, here's the original record:

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The distal femur is fig. 11 (red arrow). The references erroneously wrote "Fig. 12" instead of "Fig. 11" when referencing the specimen. Here is the journal article from 1834. I don't see specific measurements reported in the article but I didn't have much time to give it a good read. The lack of "Officialization" and museum ID do not refute the specimen's existence, so I'd give it the benefit of any doubt.
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Interesting: elephants included. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jEcBgfz4oU
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Palaeoloxodon namadicus
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Do we have a family tree of Proboscidea?
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(12-23-2018, 04:28 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Do we have a family tree of Proboscidea?


From some searching this is the most comprehensive phylogeny I could find:

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From Elephantidae phylogeny: morphological versus molecular results.
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