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Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts
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  (05-24-2018, 02:27 PM)Shir Babr Wrote:That is a Lechwe/red waterbuck. And it's a male who can be twice the size (120 kg) of a male impala (60 kg).(05-23-2018, 07:05 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: @Rishi Here is a single hyena fighting off a lone lioness. Again these are the Okavango hyenas. She looks as big as the lioness. I have no doubt hyenas here can reach weights around 100 kg's. You think this one would avoid a leopard? This lioness is absolutely an adult specimen, if it's not the biggest of lionesses, she doesn't seem too small either... I can't find any moderne or past measurements of hyenas from the Okavango delta. And hyenas are very variable in size across Africa, on the top of my head females in the east(Serengeti?) I think average at about 20 kg less than females from Krüger and Zambia. And I have never seen hyenas looking as big as these from Okavango.. never! And people that have seen dozens of lions across Africa all seem to state that Okavango does house the biggest lions, and these hyenas are challenging lions in a way I've never seen hyenas do before. You don't think an animal who weighs 86 kg's can grow 14 kg's heavier in a different place? I have no doubts about 300 kg+ Bengal tigers and 1000 kg+ Cape buffalos, but there aren't 100% reliable weights of that. A guy who lives where I have my cabin hunts foxes around usually 5-8 kg, some very large males 10 kg's, but one day he captured a fox on 13,7 kgs. That's almost twice the weight of the average foxes he hunted. So that big hyenas on 100 kg existing, I have no doubt. Especially those monster looking hyenas in the Okavango. Could I be wrong? Yes, but I'm confident enough to share the opinion, that those weights are possible there. :) 
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Serengeti/Ngorongoro Crater Hyena come in all types of shapes and sizes, the largest leopard I've ever seen in person was in the Serengeti and he was probably a little larger than the largest Hyena I saw but I could be wrong, they are so close and hard to compare because of their different body types. The ones in the Crater were much further off avoiding the male lion coalition that was feeding on the buffalo kill so I wasn't able to see them up close, but I'd guess they were larger than the ones I saw in the Serengeti. Believe it or not, Hyena are fairly timid around the jeeps, they'd always run off so I never got as much time with them than I did with other animals. I've been told the Delta Lioness in the swampy areas are actually smaller but leaner and more muscular comparatively. https://www.facebook.com/LookingForLions/ "Some of the largest lions I've seen, and also talking to people around Botswana - the lions in the Kalahari are some of the biggest. I can't speak personally of East Africa because i havent been there. One of the males I collared south in the Delta was quite large, but the females higher up in the Delta, in the really swampy areas, are defintely of smaller stature, but they have impressive muscular builds which we assume is from wading in the water and the sand. I have heard other guides/travellers comment on this as well. Sounds like an awesome trip you are taking! Hope you enjoy!" (05-24-2018, 11:25 PM)Pckts Wrote: @Pantherinae Yes I know the hyenas are timid around cars in the Mara too, in Krüger they act as if you don't exist. very vierd when you brought it up, and I started to think about it, that they behave differently towards cars. They hyenas in Krüger are definitely bigger than the hyenas in the east, even the typical males I saw in Krüger are bigger than the biggest hyena I saw in Masai Mara. Hyenas in the east don't need the big size as they make that up with numbers. So in the eastern parts you can see different hyenas in all sizes running around as they split up and foreign for food alone or in small groups, and when they find a kill they start the "wooing" to gather the clan. Some hyenas can migrate massive distances in search of food and be away from the clan for weeks! Very interesting about the size of the Okavango lions indeed, thanks for sharing btw. It goes to show eye witnesses are different. I remember Derick Joubert saying the lionesses in duba plains (the wettest of the wet and in the middle of the swamp) where as big as inland males, but that's again different as those lions are separated from the mainland and perhaps again bigger? Who knows.. they seem massive in some clips I had saved up, I'll see if I can find some videos and post them in the thread: biggest Living Lions :)  (05-24-2018, 08:43 PM)Rishi Wrote:(05-24-2018, 08:01 PM)leopard Wrote: Well many people claim that these are young adolescents and inexperienced. The one of the left being the mother is a possibility of course.  (05-24-2018, 11:08 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: That is a Lechwe/red waterbuck. And it's a male who can be twice the size (120 kg) of a male impala (60 kg). 1.-120 kg antelopes aren't that big compared to adult lioness. 2.-You got a point there, but they should be rare though. 14 kg might not sound as much, but is almost 20% more. 3.- I HATE hunters. You should beat him up or mess with him, I heard nordic countries have a really laughable penal system anyway, especially if you claim you're a minority 
(05-25-2018, 05:59 AM)Shir Babr Wrote:An adult lioness is usually between 120-180 kg, so I guess they are that big comapared to an adult lioness.. remember an animal at around 120 kg with so thin legs are very big animals. even an Impala is surprisingly big up close.(05-24-2018, 11:08 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: That is a Lechwe/red waterbuck. And it's a male who can be twice the size (120 kg) of a male impala (60 kg). Yes but perhaps hyenas in the Okavango grows larger than others? Who knows? They do certainly look bigger than elsewhere and have an attitude I've never seen with hyenas, maybe they do have a higher average weight and thus have a higher maximum weight as well. I have no idea, I just speculate as we do with lions and tigers. I hate trophy hunting and killing for the heck of it, but in Norway we sadly kill almost all the big endangered species of predators (bear, wolf, Lynx and wolverines) we do only have a couple hundred of them all species combined. This means foxes thrive and does basically have no natural predators, so they will wipe out all other smaller competitors (marten, stoat, weasel, ferret etc) and even hare, roe deer and many vulnerable bird species will struggle because the foxes kills everything. So you need to hunt foxes to get stability in the ecosystem. So I guess if want to beat up someone you should go to the politicians and stop them from killing all the big carnivores, but then I think you'd get it bad, regardless of how "laughable" the penal system is... so the best thing is probably to protest peacefully.., (05-25-2018, 05:59 AM)Shir Babr Wrote: I HATE hunters. You should beat him up or mess with him, I heard Nordic countries have a really laughable penal system anyway, especially if you claim you're a minorityThis has always been a controversial subject, but @Pantherinae is right! Coexistence & conflict has always been my prime area of interest (that's what got me into Asiatic lions) & i assure you, it's always a mistake to assume we aren't a part of nature, especially in those northern countries, much of which are basically vast wildernesses. If foxes undergo a population boom in the forests bordering habitation & fearlessly start destroying local livestock, that'll be much worse news for the whole ecosystem than regulated hunting. Especially if the region is a fringe forest & don't have/lost the natural containing factors like wolves etc. Also, it's not like they can just bring back wolves there either. Such humanity-wilderness interfaces need to be gradually colonised by wildlife spilling out of the deep forests & slowing reforging a new relationship (The old one clearly didn't works out). And this relationship is much more important than people give it credit for... Do you know of the Ustad debacle? Ranthambore's star tiger T-25 aka Ustad was captured & "jailed" for reported being homicidal. Many so-called wildlife warriors came to his defense with images like this...  *This image is copyright of its original author ...to try and prove that it was the victim's fault (sounds familiar?) & that he didn't feed of them. But it didn't matter whether he was an actual man-eater or not! He was reportedly involved in atleast 4 deaths. Of the 40+ adult tigers in Ranthambore's, locals had problems with only him. In that case even if there is a 1% chance of the allegations being true, no... even if we KNEW he were innocent, he had to go. Was it appeasement? Maybe. Was it necessary? Definitely! The fact is that good men have spent their whole lives, ironing out the man-animal conflict in the region. All those years of achievement couldn't have been thrown away just because some tourists who come for safari once a year, from their air-conditioned homes in India's largest cities would like to see their favorite "Ustad". Between "Justice for Ustad" & future of (05-25-2018, 06:42 AM)Rishi Wrote:(05-25-2018, 05:59 AM)Shir Babr Wrote: I HATE hunters. You should beat him up or mess with him, I heard Nordic countries have a really laughable penal system anyway, especially if you claim you're a minority @ Pantherinae & Rishi I'm sorry, I didn't want to sound contrarian, I just had doubts because I compared (in pics and videos, haven't seen them in real life unfortunately) lechwes to cheetahs and didn't looked much bigger, but you know more than I do, so I'm satisfied with your input. Neither was I trying to undermine spotted hyenas, I actually like them a lot, even when I was a kid and they were supposed to be just scavengers. About the last, I'm not gonna argue anything, just an anecdote: Here in Mexico, a few years back a group of those "brave" hunters were happily on a trip to kill creatures just for fun, like they do, when they disappeared. Turns out they ran into a group of drug dealers. Guns and all, they were butchered. Sometimes there's justice in the world and is sweet. I promise this is the last post of this sort from my part.  (05-23-2018, 09:24 AM)Rishi Wrote: Just because leopards prefer to run for their dear lives, people seem to underestimate the extent can they go to hold on to said dear lives when cornered! That's probably the reason... Exactly. Leopard is extremely cautious killer, intelligent, cynical and practical, supreme fighter he doesnt like to take any needles risks, unlike lion and tiger he doesn't feel a need to display a "honour", that's why is so dangerous. He doesnt like to enter in needles frontal confrontations (prefers attack from shadows) and often gives a way to animals who are weaker than himself and who he can kill in different circumstances, in order to avoid even a slightest risk of injury, doesn't feel a need to show anybody that "he is stronger" because that's contradict the intellect. I have seen twice this spotted cat in forests of India, demoniacal creature, have some superstition concerning this beast, even avoid talking about it...   *This image is copyright of its original author Tigress and a fully grown male gaur both die in a fight.
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