Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage

[Guillermo94]

(Yesterday, 12:32 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote:

(12-27-2024, 11:23 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-27-2024, 11:20 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:

(12-27-2024, 10:25 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-27-2024, 06:01 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Yeah but I don’t think he’d kick him out skorro jr bullied both his brothers but once limper died he lost his confidence so it’s a plus to have another male around regardless but the weaker male will be bullied

Let us remember, Scar Tumbela was the original dominant male, doing most of the mating when they took over the Othawa Pride. Skorro Jr wasn't bullying him, until he became very ill. His illness caused him to be so weak that even young subs were pushing him off of kills.

True very true very strange how that worked out I’m surprised skorro jr didn’t try and kill the cubs since they weren’t his unless he mated with the females after his brothers did

He did indeed mate, some, not sure if with all of the females or not. But, typically, coalitions don't kill their coalition partner's young, otherwise being a member of one would be detrimental.

Ooooh so why did the mapogos kill makhulus cubs? And Mr T kill the ximhungwe cubs… I always wondered why but they all seemed like dominant males (as in makhulu wasn’t the top dog all the time) of the coalition at some point or just very aggressive. I know why Mr T killed the ximhubgwe cubs he was 100% not the father but killing makhulus cubs why?

May they all rest. Not just T other four unfortunately and heartbreaking same reason. 
Older male with Othowa only cubs of older. Reply

[Duco Ndona]

Its not about genetics but rather the bond established between the male lions and the cubs. 
The best moment for that bond to form is when the cubs are still very small and gradually introduced as part of the pride. 
However if one of the males misses this bonding period, he will be much less accepting of them and they can lash out far more violently at a cub pushing his limit.. 

The Mapogos where far from a stable coalition. They were constantly breaking up and reuniting and the infighting resulted in lots of frustration. So occasionally members returned after a prolonged absence to be greeted by cubs they were unfamiliar with, which they then took their frustation out on. Reply

[Ttimemarti]

(Yesterday, 01:30 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its not about genetics but rather the bond established between the male lions and the cubs. 
The best moment for that bond to form is when the cubs are still very small and gradually introduced as part of the pride. 
However if one of the males misses this bonding period, he will be much less accepting of them and they can lash out far more violently at a cub pushing his limit.. 

The Mapogos where far from a stable coalition. They were constantly breaking up and reuniting and the infighting resulted in lots of frustration. So occasionally members returned after a prolonged absence to be greeted by cubs they were unfamiliar with, which they then took their frustation out on.

Gotcha! Thanks for that! Reply