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Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage
Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage
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Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage
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 (12-26-2024, 01:26 AM)sunless Wrote:(12-26-2024, 12:38 AM)KM600 Wrote:(12-26-2024, 12:03 AM)BA0701 Wrote: @Tr1x24 and @Mapokser, is Wonky Eye, possibly, the one who is rarely seen with his brothers, or is he one of the two, who are together? the oldest imbali males are sons of the mluwati males, the same male that has the 5 kumana sons these imbali males have 2 more brothers that are dominant in a different area  (12-26-2024, 12:03 AM)BA0701 Wrote: @Tr1x24 and @Mapokser, is Wonky Eye, possibly, the one who is rarely seen with his brothers, or is he one of the two, who are together? (12-26-2024, 12:38 AM)KM600 Wrote: Two different coalitions, the Imablis with WE are the ones who control Hamilton Pride in Manyeleti / KNP, these Imbalis are older and control numerous pride adjacent to MalaMala and a lil North East of Kirkman’s Kamp. As @KM600 explained, 2 different fathers and generations of Imbali males. As for Wonky Eye, i think theres a good chance he is brother of those older Imbalis. 
Plains Camp young male, son of the Southern Avoca, at KNP
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Is he though? He was a nomad for a long time before joining the Imbali pride.
 (12-26-2024, 04:24 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Is he though? He was a nomad for a long time before joining the Imbali pride. He recently joined S8 Imbali young males and S8 Imbali Breakaway females (S8 offspring). Initially he was first seen in southern Manyeleti in 2020, with sub sisters and 1 brother, who might have been Imbalis previous generation (Mluwati offspring), chased out by S8. Here: WE:  *This image is copyright of its original author Another male with them:  *This image is copyright of its original author At the same time in 2020, Mluwati Imbalis started nomadic journey, earlier in 2020 2 where seen in MM on a kill, and got chased by Nhenha/Tinyo. In 2021, 3 Mluwati Imbali showed up in H1-2 as young males mating with females, they are still there to this day. @BA0701 you can move this to Manyeleti, as its offtopic.   
Mohawk prolly couldn’t believe his luck when he was reaccepted by his sons, they’ve essentially formed a mini Mantimahle breakaway pride. They wouldn’t accept him unless he was useful to them. Both the remaining Avocas have been through the absolute lowest of lows, losing their favourite companions and yet strive to become atleast semi territorial. Both very impressive and inspiring.
(12-26-2024, 02:21 PM)Guillermo94 Wrote:Hi he might look a bit like Southern Avoca who was his brother ?(12-26-2024, 04:05 AM)Ngonya Wrote: Plains Camp young male, son of the Southern Avoca, at KNP  (12-27-2024, 04:04 AM)KM600 Wrote: Mohawk prolly couldn’t believe his luck when he was reaccepted by his sons, they’ve essentially formed a mini Mantimahle breakaway pride. They wouldn’t accept him unless he was useful to them. Both the remaining Avocas have been through the absolute lowest of lows, losing their favourite companions and yet strive to become atleast semi territorial. Both very impressive and inspiring. I kind of don't like this whole "beng useful to be allowed in" argument, I don't think they really care. If there's a bond or certain level of familiarity between lions, they will accept each other. The limping Monowana was able to find a coalition partner in the condition he was in. If lions were so calculated, something like that wouldn't have happened. The Avocas clearly still felt a connection to him and were probably happy to finally run into him again.
Sons didn't accept him because they thought he'd be useful, I doubt they can rationalize in this way, otherwise we'd see males forming larger coalitions all the time to take over or resist take overs.
They know each other for the sons' entire lives, living together for almost half of Mohawk's life, and they went nomadic together, forming a coalition bond. A few months apart wasn't enough for the sons to go from "he's a member of the coalition" to "his an outsider", it often takes at least an entire year apart for coalitions to break, but even then, it might not be a complete break up, as shown with Mohawk himself feeding with DM a few weeks/days before DM died. They didn't act as a coalition anymore but still had enough of a bond to not see each other as enemies. (12-27-2024, 04:04 AM)KM600 Wrote: Mohawk prolly couldn’t believe his luck when he was reaccepted by his sons, they’ve essentially formed a mini Mantimahle breakaway pride. They wouldn’t accept him unless he was useful to them. Both the remaining Avocas have been through the absolute lowest of lows, losing their favourite companions and yet strive to become atleast semi territorial. Both very impressive and inspiring. Hi I would not use the word favorite companion. I think it was circumstances. Mohawk was trying to be with his brother with black mane. May he rest heart breaking but hunting with his nephews you must known what happened I prefer not to talk about it. Circumstances, luck with Mohawk is what happened. If Mohawk’s was still with one of his brothers they may not have spend more time with them or Nukhumas; may have left on their own. Mohawk being alone made him stay. Mohawk may had been with Kambulas, but Ndhzenga male lions came and other male lions may had came. Seeing Mohawk made me think with his sons, getting stronger and experience. Mohawk maybe around around a few more years. He actually looks good and happy he is with sons. I really wonder what made Mohawk stay go back with his sons after he had went back with Nukhumas. I was thinking he heard roars of Nukuhumas in Kruger calling for him or he heard them roaring and he went back. I wonder what will be with Southern Avoca. Southern Avoca is with the Kruger male lion, but the Kruger male lion is younger. The Kruger male lion is not the same like Nukhuma male lions who are younger. 
Its probably a combination of the two.
The preexisting bond allowed Mohawk to join relative easily. But if he wasnt in shape and seen as a burden I doubt his sons would have put up with him for long. He would have been bullied away from food, left behind etc like we saw with the Tumbellas |
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