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(Yesterday, 09:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: I've been talking about Ross males in other thread, so just to give a bit of "hope" here.
Ross males, after years of battling with other territorial males, become fully territorial only around 6 yrs of age, 8 yrs later, they are one of the most successful duos we know of.
The issue with Kablulas isn't that they are unsuccesfull in fighting other coalitions and establishing themselfs as dominant coalition, but that they are not strong and/or confident enough to even try to fight and if that is the issue then they can almost never be successfull unless they will have no competition at all for a long enough peroid of time which is very unlikely especially since they are sticking in one single arena insteed moving around, looking for some easy enough arena to takeover.
Ross males you are comparing them to were different that way they had drive and strenght to become dominant males, just competition at the time was difficult, too dificult to handle for 2 young males. They however tried their best since they were 4 and half years old (so pretty much standard age for males within Kruger to try to establish themselfs as dominant males) when they mated with one of the Avoca females.
Also they did takeover territory at the age of 5, althrough in arena where there were no females at all.
Today, 02:14 AM( This post was last modified: Today, 02:17 AM by BA0701 )
(Yesterday, 11:02 PM)Potato Wrote:
(Yesterday, 09:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: I've been talking about Ross males in other thread, so just to give a bit of "hope" here.
Ross males, after years of battling with other territorial males, become fully territorial only around 6 yrs of age, 8 yrs later, they are one of the most successful duos we know of.
The issue with Kablulas isn't that they are unsuccesfull in fighting other coalitions and establishing themselfs as dominant coalition, but that they are not strong and/or confident enough to even try to fight and if that is the issue then they can almost never be successfull unless they will have no competition at all for a long enough peroid of time which is very unlikely especially since they are sticking in one single arena insteed moving around, looking for some easy enough arena to takeover.
Ross males you are comparing them to were different that way they had drive and strenght to become dominant males, just competition at the time was difficult, too dificult to handle for 2 young males. They however tried their best since they were 4 and half years old (so pretty much standard age for males within Kruger to try to establish themselfs as dominant males) when they mated with one of the Avoca females.
Also they did takeover territory at the age of 5, althrough in arena where there were no females at all.
For me, I don't see the Kambulas as weak, or lacking the courage to stand and fight, anyone really. The one chink in their armor, in my opinion, is they seem to lack any connection, or loyalty, with each other. They have all been beaten by multiple males, at different points, and been severely injured as a result, have never come across to me as scared or frightened to do it again. They just lack the bond that is necessary to be successful as a coalition, especially in an area where there are so many other coalitions who do possess such a bond.
At this stage in their lives, having literally lived their entire lives around one another, if they do not have this bond by now, I am just not sure they ever will. Though, I am constantly hoping they do find it, I would be very happy if these boys stuck beside one another, and built a legendary legacy together. I do not believe there is a coalition in Sabi Sands, who, if one male is fighting other males, and his coalition partner is within earshot of that fight, they would come running, I do not feel that way about the Kambulas, which is very odd given their history of growing up together.
If you think about it, if these boys had a tight bond, there isn't a pride<s> in the area they couldn't take, or a coalition they couldn't beat. They could steamroll their way through all of Sabi Sands, if they just stuck together.
Completely agree they lack the coordination and togetherness to do anything meaningful collectively. Hopefully something clicks and if NKs have their cubs, fingers crossed that will flick a switch.
Today, 03:45 AM( This post was last modified: Today, 03:46 AM by sik94 )
They remind me of the Shishangaan males, they didn't become dominant until they were 7/8 years old either if I remember correctly. The Shishangaans were pretty lowkey as nomads and slowly became confident enough to challenge other males, they weren't getting in needles scraps unlike the Kambulas. Kambulas somehow manage to keep getting caught by dominant males and taking beatings, and even more surprising is the fact that they keep coming out of these fights alive. This is becoming like the Mejaine vs the Vurhamis+Mo situation, with K4 being in a similar position to Mo, the only difference is that since the Kambulas are a bit more developed than Vurhamis were at that stage, that has been saving the Kambulas from getting annihilated.
Today, 04:46 AM( This post was last modified: Today, 04:49 AM by Ngonya )
(Today, 02:14 AM)BA0701 Wrote: I do not believe there is a coalition in Sabi Sands, who, if one male is fighting other males, and his coalition partner is within earshot of that fight, they would come running, I do not feel that way about the Kambulas, which is very odd given their history of growing up together.
* Nkuhuma male... Lol
Jks aside. As we know the 2 most recent beatings (K4 and K6) they were definitly alone when it happened, so the brothers couldn't assist, but well it comes to a point that after so many its hard to believe they were outnumbered in all of the occasions... Its just unlikely, they used and still are 4 really close, afterall as nomads thats the common. For most of the year the occasions we would see them scattered were due to: K4 mating or a brother injured.
So yeah i personally dont believe the Kambulas were apart and couldn't help their brothers in some of those beatings, sounds more likely they just didnt help. Ofc we dont know what happened so it will just remain a somewhat irrelevant mystery, afterall what really matters is that they are alive and as long as breathing and in fine condition, a coalition of 4 can achieve alot indeed.
(Today, 02:14 AM)BA0701 Wrote: If you think about it, if these boys had a tight bond, there isn't a pride<s> in the area they couldn't take, or a coalition they couldn't beat. They could steamroll their way through all of Sabi Sands, if they just stuck together.
Worth mentioning the dominant duos of Sabi Sands are just formidable. If the Kambulas were about to represent significant danger i doubt the dominant duos would go as soft as they did so far. (except for K4's beating, that one was surely another level compared to the previous ones)
As it was already well-mentioned in this topic, most of the beatings the Kambulas received were the dominant males just getting rid of intruders but somehow not actual threats in terms of their approach. They aren't killing their cubs, females or roaring confidently trying to claim the territory, so its reasonable to think the dominant males that already beat them didn't went that hard either.
A coalition of 4 losing a member already goes down to 3, and yeah thats just a huge blow and duos as formidable as the ones who rule all over Sabi Sand could definitly overwhelm a trio.
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(Today, 02:14 AM)BA0701 Wrote: I do not believe there is a coalition in Sabi Sands, who, if one male is fighting other males, and his coalition partner is within earshot of that fight, they would come running, I do not feel that way about the Kambulas, which is very odd given their history of growing up together.
* Nkuhuma male... Lol
Jks aside. As we know the 2 most recent beatings (K4 and K6) they were definitly alone when it happened, so the brothers couldn't assist, but well it comes to a point that after so many its hard to believe they were outnumbered in all of the occasions... Its just unlikely, they used and still are 4 really close, afterall as nomads thats the common. For most of the year the occasions we would see them scattered were due to: K4 mating or a brother injured.
So yeah i personally dont believe the Kambulas were apart and couldn't help their brothers in some of those beatings, sounds more likely they just didnt help. Ofc we dont know what happened so it will just remain a somewhat irrelevant mystery, afterall what really matters is that they are alive and as long as breathing and in fine condition, a coalition of 4 can achieve alot indeed.
(Today, 02:14 AM)BA0701 Wrote: If you think about it, if these boys had a tight bond, there isn't a pride<s> in the area they couldn't take, or a coalition they couldn't beat. They could steamroll their way through all of Sabi Sands, if they just stuck together.
Worth mentioning the dominant duos of Sabi Sands are just formidable. If the Kambulas were about to represent significant danger i doubt the dominant duos would go as soft as they did so far. (except for K4's beating, that one was surely another level compared to the previous ones)
As it was already well-mentioned in this topic, most of the beatings the Kambulas received were the dominant males just getting rid of intruders but somehow not actual threats in terms of their approach. They aren't killing their cubs, females or roaring confidently trying to claim the territory, so its reasonable to think the dominant males that already beat them didn't went that hard either.
A coalition of 4 losing a member already goes down to 3, and yeah thats just a huge blow and duos as formidable as the ones who rule all over Sabi Sand could definitly overwhelm a trio.
Hi what are you talking about ? The four Kambula male lions? I do not remember reading Kambula male lions lost a member? K6 isn’t he just in the north? Is K6 ok? They always separate then they get together.
(Today, 11:17 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote: Hi what are you talking about ? The four Kambula male lions? I do not remember reading Kambula male lions lost a member? K6 isn’t he just in the north? Is K6 ok? They always separate then they get together.
Read it properly fella, we just talking about in the what ifs possibilities etc, at no moment i claimed they lost a member.
All Kambula are alive and none is close to dying.
(Today, 04:46 AM)Ngonya Wrote: it comes to a point that after so many its hard to believe they were outnumbered in all of the occasions... Its just unlikely, they used and still are 4 really close, afterall as nomads thats the common. For most of the year the occasions we would see them scattered were due to: K4 mating or a brother injured.
So yeah i personally dont believe the Kambulas were apart and couldn't help their brothers in some of those beatings, sounds more likely they just didnt help.
That goes directly to my comment. I think if they were a tight knit team, and stuck together as such, they'd be able to confront all of the duos that have caused them so much grief, to this point. Outside of K4, we don't know if any of the others have even tried to support their brothers in a time of need.
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And K4 only tried to help K5 finish off RR, not actually save K5.
He thought K5 was winning and was like "if K5 is beating him alone, it's safe to join him", the moment he realized K5 was the one losing, even though it'd be 2v1, he retreated from RR.
There's, however, the report that Kambulas and sister returned to look for K6 when Gijimas chased and split them, getting K6. But Gijimas chased the remaining siblings again, this time all the way to the PCM.
