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(Yesterday, 02:17 AM)Ngonya Wrote: some more footage on K6 after a beating, likely by Mantimahle
As much as it pains me to say it, these boys are going to allow themselves to get picked off one by one, if they continue to refuse to stand beside and defend one another.
(Yesterday, 02:17 AM)Ngonya Wrote: some more footage on K6 after a beating, likely by Mantimahle
As much as it pains me to say it, these boys are going to allow themselves to get picked off one by one, if they continue to refuse to stand beside and defend one another.
Agree bro. Were the other 3 Kambula boys with K6 when caught??
Doesn’t look too serious from what I have seen. Nowhere near as bad as K4 that’s for sure. Looks more like surface bites than bone/muscular. Could it have been whilst hunting?
K3 is next in line, I always tried to find excuses on Kambula males , but all my bets and hopes gone . I take some break time and maybe new 2025 year will be good for them!
(Yesterday, 04:43 AM)Djdelight Wrote: Could it have been whilst hunting?
the prey must have some sharp teeth huh? lol
Jokes aside those look mostly like lion fights inflicted wounds, minor but still seem like the outcome of a outnumbered fight. A small puncture on his head, bites on his back leg etc.
Ok.. Looking for some positives here when none exist. The fact that they are getting caught but not getting killed tells one thing.. They are too grown up and duos are finding it hard to kill them.
Besides this, a few things would be interesting to watch out for in the coming weeks. Will K4 stick around with K3 often or still go solo and roar? Will K6 stick around with K5 or other brothers? If they don’t, it tells they are still learning. This is not Manyeleti, risk went high for these boys once Mantimahles arrived. It’s like two pairs of PCMs moving around now. Still think in 6 to 7 months, they should easily hold the territory.
Yesterday, 03:17 PM( This post was last modified: Yesterday, 03:20 PM by sunless )
(Yesterday, 04:26 AM)afortich Wrote:
(Yesterday, 02:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 02:17 AM)Ngonya Wrote: some more footage on K6 after a beating, likely by Mantimahle
As much as it pains me to say it, these boys are going to allow themselves to get picked off one by one, if they continue to refuse to stand beside and defend one another.
Agree bro. Were the other 3 Kambula boys with K6 when caught??
No, they are already on their way South when this happened K6 stayed at Elephant Plains to mate with Little Amber.
Yesterday, 03:19 PM( This post was last modified: Yesterday, 03:21 PM by sunless )
(Yesterday, 02:17 AM)Ngonya Wrote: some more footage on K6 after a beating, likely by Mantimahle
Would not think its Mantimahle as K6 is in Elephant Plains mating with Little Amber before this beating and the Mantimahle is seen on Buffelshoek/Manyeleti boundary with Imbali lionesses at that time if I remember correctly maybe its the other duos (PCM or N'was) or the roaming old males (Avoca and Kruger) or maybe some Torchwood lionesses seems the Torchwood have many sightings this time of the year in Sabi Sands or maybe what I type is all wrong LOL.
Yesterday, 07:52 PM( This post was last modified: Yesterday, 07:53 PM by BA0701 )
(Yesterday, 06:36 PM)Djdelight Wrote: I agree. Plus, Mantimahle males would have inflicted a lot more damage than this.
My friend, while I, myself, do not believe it was the Mantimahles, my reasons are due to locations provided in most recent reports. It is impossible to judge by damage inflicted, as if we take the PCMs for instance, two of the biggest, most aggressive males around. Yet, in several instances of their having caught a rival male, the amount of visible damage has been relatively minor.
Right now I think K6 is key in the possibility of the Kambulas ever becoming territorial.
He was the most dominant and aggressive of the Kambulas after K4, for the most time at least, he's the only one to have stayed north alone to roar and mate besides K4, he's the one who has mated the most by far after K4, and he's the only one to have chased a dominant male "1v1" in the case of Red Road, something not even K4 has done, in fact, at even numbers, we didn't even seen them doing anything against adult nomads, dunno if 2 of them would have the upper hand against NK/Talamati, I certainly doubt against Kruger/Avoca.
And most important, he's "only" 5,5yo, which for many males is more than enough to fully commit to territorial life, but we know Kambulas are slow in this department, so maybe once K6 enters the peak of his prime half a year from now, he will mentally develop enough to want to be a full time territorial male, if by then, all other 3 are still alive and at full strength ( big if ), K4 and K6 may be able to push the other two to maybe, finally, stick to the territory and stand their ground if necessary.
Of course I'm being very optimistic here, we're tired of thinking "now they'll be dominant" just for the cycle to repeat again and we see them in the south and/or caught and beaten.
(Yesterday, 08:54 PM)Mapokser Wrote: And most important, he's "only" 5,5yo, which for many males is more than enough to fully commit to territorial life, but we know Kambulas are slow in this department, so maybe once K6 enters the peak of his prime half a year from now, he will mentally develop enough to want to be a full time territorial male, if by then, all other 3 are still alive and at full strength ( big if ), K4 and K6 may be able to push the other two to maybe, finally, stick to the territory and stand their ground if necessary.
I've been talking about Ross males in other thread, so just to give a bit of "hope" here.
Ross males, after years of battling with other territorial males, become fully territorial only around 6 yrs of age, 8 yrs later, they are one of the most successful duos we know of.
Not saying Kambulas will have same path and success, they prob wont, as young Ross males where far more fierce and well bonded, but they still have plenty of time.
As for K6, i agree, he showed bravery, not only vs RRM, but also vs Kruger male, where he, and not K4, first charged at Kruger male, K4 was one who was following K6's lead in that encounter.
But currently he still looks to be too "respectful" towards his older brothers to take a lead, atleast until now.
But even that "leading" role doesnt mean much, if K5 and K3 just wander away again.
Yesterday, 10:34 PM( This post was last modified: Yesterday, 10:36 PM by Ngonya )
(Yesterday, 09:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Ross males, after years of battling with other territorial males, become fully territorial only around 6 yrs of age, 8 yrs later, they are one of the most successful duos we know of.
Not saying Kambulas will have same path and success, they prob wont, as young Ross males where far more fierce and well bonded, but they still have plenty of time.
Interesting. I honestly know very little about the Ross males and personally had no idea they became dominant at 6, were they always a duo?
What i know is that they were around beating other males even younger than that, as you say far more fierce and well bonded. Kambulas on the other hand are pretty much the ones getting beaten even thought they have the numbers, they sound quite like the opposite?
(Yesterday, 09:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: As for K6, i agree, he showed bravery, not only vs RRM, but also vs Kruger male, where he, and not K4, first charged at Kruger male, K4 was one who was following K6's lead in that encounter.
(Yesterday, 08:54 PM)Mapokser Wrote: He was the most dominant and aggressive of the Kambulas after K4, for the most time at least, he's the only one to have stayed north alone to roar and mate besides K4
By the looks of it, K4 and K6 displayed to be the most confident males. Ik there is all that talking about K5 being the fighter etc but he is clearly the least dominant so far, acting the most like a nomad wandering everywhere, likely why he got beaten so many times instead of being the "aggressive". I think the one i've seen the most aggressive behavior so far was K3, attacking females and intimidating his own sister, etc.
(Yesterday, 08:54 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Right now I think K6 is key in the possibility of the Kambulas ever becoming territorial.
K4 is almost fully recovered physically... Yeah perhaps a slight permanent limp but i wouldnt doubt that in a short while we will see him back (or close) to his 'old' self in terms of confidence.
(Yesterday, 09:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: But even that "leading" role doesnt mean much, if K5 and K3 just wander away again.
I dont recall if it was you or sunless who precisely pointed it out that usually when the Kambulas are going "nowhere", K5 is leading, which couldn't be more accurate lol.
K3 was very close to the Nks back in a few weeks, behavior i thought to be unexpected since he and K5 seemed like the duo of not very interested in mating shortly prior.
