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N'waswitshaka males
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@Ngonya
So, concerning fathership, these 3 are Old N'ws :  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author They are territorial in that area from ~ 2012 towards the end of 2016, in 2017 looks like Charleston overtook them, as male on 2nd photos was seen alone in MM in 2017 as nomad, Male on 1st photos sired N'ws older brother in 2012 (not sure if blondish male on photo is his brother or 1 of Renosterkoppies nomadic males):  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Male on 3rd photo looks like father of Gore and their lone sister, they look alike. I taught that male on 2nd photo then sired Amahle/OE, but looks like they are sired by different coalition, ones you posted, as they are copy/paste of those "Phabeni males".  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author This is same male, right? they called him C1 (his blind bro C2) but photo is from later in 2016, when he lost some mane:  *This image is copyright of its original author Here is him roaring in August 2016: I remember seeing photos from these 2, I think they got sick or something. Now what happened here idk, maybe some N'ws females mated with those males or something like that. We know that around that time N'ws pride was split with multiple groups, so maybe females travel between groups who where under different territorial males. Blondie "Renosterkoppies" male was see in 2017 as small cub with sub Amahle in late 2017, so who sired him then? As Charlestons came into picture aswell.  (12-01-2024, 08:20 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:yeah that male looks alot like Gore indeed. The others cant see much resemblance. (12-01-2024, 08:20 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Male on 1st photos sired N'ws older brother in 2012 (not sure if blondish male on photo is his brother or 1 of Renosterkoppies nomadic males):He looks alot like a more impressive and darker version of what Gore Ndzhenga could've been. Became a very handsome and imposing male around 2017  *This image is copyright of its original author (12-01-2024, 08:20 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: I taught that male on 2nd photo then sired Amahle/OE, but looks like they are sired by different coalition, ones you posted, as they are copy/paste of those "Phabeni males".I had no idea these two were named Phabeni, glad you and others had posted stuff on them back in the day. Also hadnt seen that video before. And yes, Eorenji and Amahle look like copy pastas of this two Blind eye around 2015  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author here around 2013  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author the likely Amahle father... Almost identical lol  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author c branded thought, im assuming thats why called C1 in the video lol  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author both males together near a vehicle  *This image is copyright of its original author
I hope it gets shared here eventually ( I can't right now ) but there's a video of the Ndhzenga being unusually aggressive towards the Kambula pride, with no food around, they met and one of the males charges the pride and some individuals multiple times before establishing their dominance roaring.
Later we see a subadult male with a growing mane moving off. I wonder if they will start to pressure the older male subs who should be around 2yo now and that was the reason they were "attacking" the pride. They do a great job defending the territory and spending time with the pride but never seemed to be very fond of cubs, being more of the type to ignore them and only show affection to their brothers, add to that that they have 9 hungry growing sons in the Kambula pride boldly taking their share of the food, Ndhzengas may start pushing them off sooner than one may have expected. 
Ndhzenga Male being agressive with Kambula Pride
Credits to chelseyhende (12-06-2024, 08:04 AM)Mapokser Wrote: I hope it gets shared here eventually ( I can't right now ) but there's a video of the Ndhzenga being unusually aggressive towards the Kambula pride, with no food around, they met and one of the males charges the pride and some individuals multiple times before establishing their dominance roaring.I wonder if number of young male lions is putting more pressure on all the lions. Young lions growing and male lions and lionesses may start chasing them; the older young male lion. I wonder. I wonder how many of young male lions around two? I do not know the different ages. lionesses may start chasing the young male lions because they are a lot of lions. I wonder how many young male lions are closer to two. Is it six or seven young male lions around two or is it 5? 
So from what I know 7 cubs born from dec 2022 - Jan 2023 2F 5M
K9s two girls born Feb-march 2023 K2s son born April 2023 K8s youngest 3 cubs born august 2023 1f 2M But this was before we found out it was 9 males not 8 so idk one gender is off but potentially 5+ males are 2 years old now (12-06-2024, 10:06 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: So from what I know 7 cubs born from dec 2022 - Jan 2023 2F 5M Maybe one of the male lions is younger, and lionesses is older? Seems maybe hopefully five or six young male lions leave together. Seems K2s cub son may stay or leave with older young male lions. I know for lions some months makes a big difference. Avoca male lions were only a few months apart? Older Avocas left to Sabi sands a few months earlier? (12-06-2024, 11:45 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:(12-06-2024, 10:06 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: So from what I know 7 cubs born from dec 2022 - Jan 2023 2F 5M Likely the 5 older boys will stay together potentially and k2s son and any other males that are younger would stay together but anything can happen (12-06-2024, 12:36 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:(12-06-2024, 11:45 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:(12-06-2024, 10:06 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: So from what I know 7 cubs born from dec 2022 - Jan 2023 2F 5M Yes so many lions in Sabi sands. Yes anything can happen if five leave together; maybe a split three and two. Or K2 maybe stay sometime then join other five or may leave all together as six if Ndhzenga male lions and lionesses get frustrated. Some lionesses may start to revive and love Ndhzenga male lions and more cubs. I would think after sometimes of more cubs they would and may not want older male lions. Also we talk about male lions, but what about young lionesses? I know they may all leave and separate but is like Kambula lionesses again many daughters many lionesses they may separate? (12-06-2024, 12:36 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:Would be interesting where K2 cub son; maybe be with one of his brothers or cousin where K2 is. I know there is three cubs, but how many cubs are male? Of the older cubs? It would make sense it may happen since they are around same age. K2 son may stay maybe lead younger Kambula brothers. Hope they can stay together like four Kambula male lions. I am saying this in a few years may be four Kambula male lions maybe chasing them hopefully not. I was thinking of young Styxt male lions maybe he could join his younger cousins. Would he still be alone. I wonder if the young Skorro male lion has seen nukuuma male lion. that would be interesting. I hope Tumbela male lion is ok. A lot of male lions Nukhuma has been with. Hopefully all are doing good. Many young lions right now maybe dangerous to young male lions in kmabula and other young male lions sons of plain camp male lions and gijima male lions.(12-06-2024, 11:45 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:(12-06-2024, 10:06 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: So from what I know 7 cubs born from dec 2022 - Jan 2023 2F 5M  (12-06-2024, 02:00 PM)Guillermo94 Wrote:(12-06-2024, 12:36 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:Would be interesting where K2 cub son; maybe be with one of his brothers or cousin where K2 is. I know there is three cubs, but how many cubs are male? Of the older cubs? It would make sense it may happen since they are around same age. K2 son may stay maybe lead younger Kambula brothers. Hope they can stay together like four Kambula male lions. I am saying this in a few years may be four Kambula male lions maybe chasing them hopefully not. I was thinking of young Styxt male lions maybe he could join his younger cousins. Would he still be alone. I wonder if the young Skorro male lion has seen nukuuma male lion. that would be interesting. I hope Tumbela male lion is ok. A lot of male lions Nukhuma has been with. Hopefully all are doing good. Many young lions right now maybe dangerous to young male lions in kmabula and other young male lions sons of plain camp male lions and gijima male lions.(12-06-2024, 11:45 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:(12-06-2024, 10:06 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: So from what I know 7 cubs born from dec 2022 - Jan 2023 2F 5M If I recall, a LOT of the Kambula and Kambula 2 group subs are male. I think there are between 7 and 10 of them. (12-06-2024, 08:04 AM)Mapokser Wrote: I hope it gets shared here eventually ( I can't right now ) but there's a video of the Ndhzenga being unusually aggressive towards the Kambula pride, with no food around, they met and one of the males charges the pride and some individuals multiple times before establishing their dominance roaring. Interesting. We never saw Ndzhengas in that sitaution. With Southern pride they had two daughters, no sons and Styx pride they abandoned early - there is just a picture of the younglings being quite uneasy around them when Ndzhengas visit them suddenly after long time (with more young males alive back then, not just Floppy Ear). But so far we never saw them pushing any sons out of the pride, this is gonna be the first time. (12-06-2024, 08:04 AM)Mapokser Wrote: They do a great job defending the territory and spending time with the pride but never seemed to be very fond of cubs, being more of the type to ignore them and only show affection to their brothers, add to that that they have 9 hungry growing sons in the Kambula pride boldly taking their share of the food, Ndhzengas may start pushing them off sooner than one may have expected. Like it or not, thats what "real" male lions do. This is what makes them strong, they are showing full dominance and authority. Male lions who "struggle" to keep their prides under their authority, will struggle to keep their rivals at bay. Ndhzengas are displaying their strenght, amazing to watch. |
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