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09-10-2022, 09:55 PM( This post was last modified: 09-10-2022, 09:59 PM by afortich )
I've seen videos where you need the 2 dominant males to oust 1 young male of 2 1/2 years old.
Confidence starts growing from day to day in animal world. They're also talking about a 3 to 1 not only the two talamatis.
(09-10-2022, 09:30 PM)Gavskrr Wrote: this story is very confusing, from what they say the youngs kambula could also be in the area, and weeks ago a meeting between S8 and male kruger was reported, the young talamati are big but I don't see them with confidence to the point of killing a big lion as the male s8 would be a big surprise even more without marks so evident
Talamatis are 4 years old already. Thay would be fully capable to maul Imbali male by all means. They wouldn't be first at all males that at this age took on prime males.
(09-10-2022, 09:30 PM)Gavskrr Wrote: this story is very confusing, from what they say the youngs kambula could also be in the area, and weeks ago a meeting between S8 and male kruger was reported, the young talamati are big but I don't see them with confidence to the point of killing a big lion as the male s8 would be a big surprise even more without marks so evident
Talamatis are 4 years old already. Thay would be fully capable to maul Imbali male by all means. They wouldn't be first at all males that at this age took on prime males.
And if in addition, DM helps, it could be even worse for any single male.
(09-10-2022, 07:08 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Some news from the rumour mill this morning.
Two WildEarth viewers are currently in the northern sabi sands. One was told (presumably by the guides) that the S8 Male has been done in by the PCM and it's likely he's not going to survive. PCM are obviously in the west right now so wasn't them. A second guest is saying (presumably also via the guides) that it was instead DM and the two boys who did the deed. Another strange account given the young boys ages and that they looked pretty much unscathed in Deon Wessels reel apart from one having a gash on his thigh. Not sure yo
There was the incident reported awhile back, of two males, one older one younger, that supposedly chased the Imbali Male. Those two males still have not been identified as far as I am aware, as there was never any video released of the interaction. Talamati Breakaway will have some hard times protecting those cubs if this is true.
Update on S8...
I have kept names of guides and the lodge out of the text as requested.
"Just listened to a message from the guide.
And this is what he says...
They found S8 and he had a bad wound to his leg (similar to Blondie) and bleeding at the mouth area which suggested to them a broken jaw, heavily salivating and roaring.
50m away Dark Mane and 2 Talamati subs were found also with some fresh wounds and scarring. They said based on tracks and marks it suggested that they were the ones that faught."
According to guides and rangers as well as the lodge...
Talamatis were on a buffalo kill and Kambulas arrived and also fed on buffalo with Dark Mane.
The Talamatis were found yesterday and 50m off was Kambula Subs.
1/2 Talamati Young Males does have an injury to his leg and the female's tail has started bleeding badly again.
S8 has not been seen since but there is an audio of a male lion and they are going to check again tomorrow."
Overhead trust betrayed a lone male again, which is kind of contradictory if he tried to challenge Dark Mane and talamatis after being chased, I hope it doesn't confirm the broken jaw for his good.
09-11-2022, 03:45 AM( This post was last modified: 09-11-2022, 03:49 AM by BA0701 )
(09-11-2022, 03:21 AM)sik94 Wrote: Update on S8...
I have kept names of guides and the lodge out of the text as requested.
"Just listened to a message from the guide.
And this is what he says...
They found S8 and he had a bad wound to his leg (similar to Blondie) and bleeding at the mouth area which suggested to them a broken jaw, heavily salivating and roaring.
50m away Dark Mane and 2 Talamati subs were found also with some fresh wounds and scarring. They said based on tracks and marks it suggested that they were the ones that faught."
According to guides and rangers as well as the lodge...
Talamatis were on a buffalo kill and Kambulas arrived and also fed on buffalo with Dark Mane.
The Talamatis were found yesterday and 50m off was Kambula Subs.
1/2 Talamati Young Males does have an injury to his leg and the female's tail has started bleeding badly again.
S8 has not been seen since but there is an audio of a male lion and they are going to check again tomorrow."
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*This image is copyright of its original author
Sounds like it was likely DM and a Talamati male were indeed the ones who chased S8 awhile back. Surprising given DM's poor condition at that time. Not surprising that three beat one, no matter how big that one is. As far as mouth injuries go, Scar Mbiri has done very well with a nasty mouth injury and vids of him when it first happened showed he was salivating as described here, and as you mentioned Blondie's leg injury and he's doing well. Point being, these creatures are as resilient as any on the planet, and until we hear different I believe we can still hope for his recovery. Maybe we will get some pics of him, or perhaps they will find it does not appear as bad as it did initially, given a little time.
If he's roaring, the jaw is probably fine. Getting a broken jaw 99% of the time comes from hunting, usually a kick to the jaw. Lions don't break each others jaws and heavily salivating or bleeding doesn't equate to a broken jaw.
(09-11-2022, 04:07 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Imagine he's just in the South Manyeleti relaxing.
Could also be. Red Road also was said to be at death's door after confrontation with Tintswalo males and when he finnaly appeared he looked fine. Moreover if Imbali male is still roaring around then he can not be in particularly bad health. We need further updates to see what kind of condition he is in actually.
(09-11-2022, 03:21 AM)sik94 Wrote: Update on S8...
I have kept names of guides and the lodge out of the text as requested.
"Just listened to a message from the guide.
And this is what he says...
They found S8 and he had a bad wound to his leg (similar to Blondie) and bleeding at the mouth area which suggested to them a broken jaw, heavily salivating and roaring.
50m away Dark Mane and 2 Talamati subs were found also with some fresh wounds and scarring. They said based on tracks and marks it suggested that they were the ones that faught."
According to guides and rangers as well as the lodge...
Talamatis were on a buffalo kill and Kambulas arrived and also fed on buffalo with Dark Mane.
The Talamatis were found yesterday and 50m off was Kambula Subs.
1/2 Talamati Young Males does have an injury to his leg and the female's tail has started bleeding badly again.
S8 has not been seen since but there is an audio of a male lion and they are going to check again tomorrow."
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
Sounds like it was likely DM and a Talamati male were indeed the ones who chased S8 awhile back. Surprising given DM's poor condition at that time. Not surprising that three beat one, no matter how big that one is. As far as mouth injuries go, Scar Mbiri has done very well with a nasty mouth injury and vids of him when it first happened showed he was salivating as described here, and as you mentioned Blondie's leg injury and he's doing well. Point being, these creatures are as resilient as any on the planet, and until we hear different I believe we can still hope for his recovery. Maybe we will get some pics of him, or perhaps they will find it does not appear as bad as it did initially, given a little time.
So sad for S8 but this was expected because S8 was always chasing them and looking a fight.
I always suspected that the lions chasing S8 were DM and the young boys.
DM had to go for it some time or the other . Would have been better for Imbali male to look for a coalition with him . Hope DM can fend off those kambula subs for 1 -2 more years .
