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Great news about RRM! Surprised how people think slight limps are a big deal given the number of males lions who struggle with these injuries and do just fine. Red Road wasn’t rejected by the pride, they just haven’t seen him in a while. He’s return to them soon enough.
10-17-2021, 11:10 PM( This post was last modified: 10-17-2021, 11:20 PM by Tr1x24 )
RRM is looking great despite rumors .. I think that Nharus didn't recoginze him as he prob wasn't with them in couple of weeks, he didn't roar or scent mark, so they prob think he is gone..
As somebody said, he will need to show Nharus that he is still dominant over them and this area..
10-17-2021, 11:14 PM( This post was last modified: 10-17-2021, 11:21 PM by Duco Ndona )
Lions have a good memory regarding this sort of stuff. They are not going to mistake identities like that. Especially not from such a close distance
They also clearly recognized him.
10-17-2021, 11:37 PM( This post was last modified: 10-17-2021, 11:39 PM by Tr1x24 )
(10-17-2021, 11:14 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Lions have a good memory regarding this sort of stuff. They are not going to mistake identities like that. Especially not from such a close distance.
Tintswalo guides explained this well in video, females dont care for RRM's life, males come and go, in their eyes his only pourpose is to defend them and their territory, and if they feel he is not able to do that, they will reject him, because he will only be dead weight to them, only 1 more big mouth to feed, without reward..
If RRM come to them full roaring and scent marking, their reaction would be different, but he is visiable scared/weak, and females sense that..
This is similar situation to Scar Tumbela and Othawa pride.
So as i said, RRM needs to prove to Nharus that he is still dominant force in their area, he needs to roar, scent mark, and dominate those females, otherwise he will become nomad.
Lions have extremly well sense/feel for power/strenght, you might not be the biggest male around, but if you have confidence/power, other lions will feel that and will run from you or submit to you.. Lion behavior is quite complex..
(10-17-2021, 11:14 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Lions have a good memory regarding this sort of stuff. They are not going to mistake identities like that. Especially not from such a close distance.
Tintswalo guides explained this well in video, females dont care for RRM's life, males come and go, in their eyes his only pourpose is to defend them and their territory, and if they feel he is not able to do that, they will reject him, because he will only be dead weight to them, only 1 more big mouth to feed, without reward..
If RRM come to them full roaring and scent marking, their reaction would be different, but he is visiable scared/weak, and females sense that..
This is similar situation to Scar Tumbela and Othawa pride.
So as i said, RRM needs to prove to Nharus that he is still dominant force in their area, he needs to roar, scent mark, and dominate those females, otherwise he will become nomad.
Lions have extremly well sense/feel for power/strenght, you might not be the biggest male around, but if you have confidence/power, other lions will feel that and will run from you or submit to you.. Lion behavior is quite complex..
Very interesting information about lions' interaction with the prides. I guess RRM rather to keep a low profile for now. We have to wait and see what happens when RRM is fully recovered.
He probably rejoined up with them 30 mins later. Tintswalo is just saying that so they can make another video titled "Red Road and the Nharus reunited!" with the rest of the footage lol
10-18-2021, 12:22 AM( This post was last modified: 10-18-2021, 12:23 AM by Tr1x24 )
(10-18-2021, 12:06 AM)Tonpa Wrote: He probably rejoined up with them 30 mins later. Tintswalo is just saying that so they can make another video titled "Red Road and the Nharus reunited!" with the rest of the footage lol
We need to take in mind that those people/camps have buisness/views from those videos, we need to appreciate it how it is, even if sometimes might be miss leading, and dont judge them..
Clearly could be marketing. We should have in mind that currently Manyeleti and especially Tintswalo who is one of the best lodges around Manyeleti has a lot of guests. So, footage like these should be pretty appreciated. This footage it's pure GOLD. since we have been worrying for the RRM status. Now, We're aware that he is walking quite well, with just a slight limp.
(10-18-2021, 01:08 AM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Great to see rrm looking better than i thought he would. Looks like hes still gettin food which is good
His shape is extremely fantastic. I have two opinions regarding this. Either the injuries made by the Tintswalo males not were so tough, or he was with the Nharu pride all the time. Glad to hear he is doing well.
(10-17-2021, 11:14 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Lions have a good memory regarding this sort of stuff. They are not going to mistake identities like that. Especially not from such a close distance.
If RRM come to them full roaring and scent marking, their reaction would be different, but he is visiable scared/weak, and females sense that..
This is similar situation to Scar Tumbela and Othawa pride.
So as i said, RRM needs to prove to Nharus that he is still dominant force in their area, he needs to roar, scent mark, and dominate those females, otherwise he will become nomad.
Lions have extremly well sense/feel for power/strenght, you might not be the biggest male around, but if you have confidence/power
Exactly! I viewed some of DM's recent videos right after the recent RRM video...and DM's baseline limp on any given day can be bad as RRM's current disability is. Its not necessarily about the injury, its how you feel you can control and dominate an area. If RRM lacks self-confidence - that well may be the reason for the reaction by the Nharu's. I hope he can survive without the Nharu's for a little while if he has to, and come back stronger. He deserves to be around his cubs.
(10-14-2021, 06:21 PM)lionuk Wrote: Latest update from Tintswalo Safari Lodge:
A word from Alistair...
So please understand that we do care about Red Road. Please be patient with us as we collect more video footage for you and we will definitely keep you updated as soon as we have any more information for you. The only time we would ever intervene with an injured animal is if this injury was caused as a result of any human interaction. We cannot interfere with what nature has written for the animals of our incredible reserve. This is up to her and not us.
I remember Tristan had to make a similar statement when Maribye's had his puff adder bite.
I completely understand their position in not "interfering" with nature, but I also understand and see where the social media concerns arise from. These lodges/enterprises no doubt profit heavily from RRM and all their lions, they goto the effort to name them (which like it or not, does engender more sentimental bonding from the general public), highlight them in videos by name, and they know people come to their lodge to see those "XYZ" lions, so some people logically expect in return for "interfering" with their lives by tracking, viewing, and videotaping them as well as making profit off them, some medical or other care can be done for these animals when when they are injured, lost etc.
There is also the dichotomy which many know about in regards to "conservation": for example the very same week the Vet Joel had removed the snare from RRM because it was "man-made", he had been videotaped injecting (darting) several Manyeleti lionesses with birth control. So to many, although the actions done for conservation, limiting lion populations because of limited resources, its a "human interference" - if you can inject some lionesses with birth control why not give RRM a shot of antibiotic for the abscess or painkiller to improve his quality of life?
And then there is the comparison with the Massai Mara, also making money off of their iconic lions, who go through great efforts to interfere. How many dozens of surgeries did Scarface go through on his eye over the years? And they recently surgically saved one of the males in the Black Rock Male coalition there, who had a serious femoral injury from a territorial fight with another male almost identical to what the Styx male just died from (presumed by the Mhangeni's). If they do it they do it in Kenya, why not S. Africa?
I'm not one to be harassing the rangers or guides, I enjoy their videos as much as anyone. I just wanted to help explain why there are sometimes are these comments, concerns, or "expectations to help" when a "star" (named) animal is injured.
Anyway, I'm very glad to see RRM is doing so much better than we all predicted given the prior statements made without any interference!
Wasn't there a post that mentioned that the RRM was seen with the pride eating a kill not long after incident with the Tintswalo boys? I'm not sure what is accurate or not now with the recent video indicating RRM has been rejected from the pride.
