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(07-01-2021, 12:33 AM)Pckts Wrote: But regardless, it's an imperfect science, many cats old weight differently and it's hard to tell how much exactly one has eaten or not. A perfect example is a Lion like Earless who generally looks full all the time while other Lions will look much more empty.
Yep, this was mentioned by de Waal et al (2004). The 225kg lion in the 1980 study looked like he had recently eaten, but a post-mortem showed that he was actually just a chonky boy:
“However, this practice to correct body mass for the remains of the last meal that might still be contained in the stomach or digestive tract may be misleading and can introduce substantial error. For example, Smuts et al. (1980) reported on a 5-year-old male lion that was in excellent physical condition and weighed 225 kg. Externally the lion would have been classed as having an above average stomach fill. However, a postmortem showed that it had an empty stomach but contained large amounts of subcutaneous and intestinal fat.”
(07-02-2021, 12:00 AM)Khan85 Wrote: At 3:39, says, "... he was carried back to the shade of his trees, which took over 10 men as he weighed close to 300 kg."
Pretty conflicting to the reply I received from Sheldrick WT a few weeks ago in which they told me that they don't weigh the animals they treat
What do you people think?
It's an estimation, there is no field scale present so no way of knowing his weight.
(07-02-2021, 12:00 AM)Khan85 Wrote: At 3:39, says, "... he was carried back to the shade of his trees, which took over 10 men as he weighed close to 300 kg."
Pretty conflicting to the reply I received from Sheldrick WT a few weeks ago in which they told me that they don't weigh the animals they treat
What do you people think?
It's an estimation, there is no field scale present so no way of knowing his weight.
There is something true in this weight. Btw this lion isnt caesar.
It is definitely not a estimation. You can read what they said. They needed 10 people because the lion was weighed close to 300 kg. That is exactly what Reuben Matthew's said and he confirmed to me that he is serious that he was weighed.
If this isnt true... that would be a big coincidence. But a random staff cant confirm the weight because it's like 7 years old.
We need to contact Dr. Dominic mijele because he was there.
(07-02-2021, 12:00 AM)Khan85 Wrote: At 3:39, says, "... he was carried back to the shade of his trees, which took over 10 men as he weighed close to 300 kg."
Pretty conflicting to the reply I received from Sheldrick WT a few weeks ago in which they told me that they don't weigh the animals they treat
What do you people think?
It's an estimation, there is no field scale present so no way of knowing his weight.
There is something true in this weight. Btw this lion isnt caesar.
It is definitely not a estimation. You can read what they said. They needed 10 people because the lion was weighed close to 300 kg. That is exactly what Reuben Matthew's said and he confirmed to me that he is serious that he was weighed.
If this isnt true... that would be a big coincidence. But a random staff cant confirm the weight because it's like 7 years old.
We need to contact Dr. Dominic mijele because he was there.
Estimating based off the amount of people needed to move an animal is just that, an estimation. Not to mention, they wouldn’t even know how many people are needed to move what weight. It’s not something they come across often.The idea that you need 10 people to move 300kg is wrong, one person can easily lift 30kg, it’s just a matter of the type of grip available.
And Rueben has brought forth no verification the Lion was weighed, a hearsay weight isn’t verified and we need actual people involved to confirm that weight which hasn’t happened.
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07-02-2021, 05:49 AM( This post was last modified: 07-02-2021, 08:56 AM by Rishi )
(07-02-2021, 05:40 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(07-02-2021, 05:23 AM)MotherNature Wrote:
(07-02-2021, 12:44 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(07-02-2021, 12:00 AM)Khan85 Wrote: At 3:39, says, "... he was carried back to the shade of his trees, which took over 10 men as he weighed close to 300 kg."
Pretty conflicting to the reply I received from Sheldrick WT a few weeks ago in which they told me that they don't weigh the animals they treat
What do you people think?
It's an estimation, there is no field scale present so no way of knowing his weight.
There is something true in this weight. Btw this lion isnt caesar.
It is definitely not a estimation. You can read what they said. They needed 10 people because the lion was weighed close to 300 kg. That is exactly what Reuben Matthew's said and he confirmed to me that he is serious that he was weighed.
If this isnt true... that would be a big coincidence. But a random staff cant confirm the weight because it's like 7 years old.
We need to contact Dr. Dominic mijele because he was there.
Estimating based off the amount of people needed to move an animal is just that, an estimation. Not to mention, they wouldn’t even know how many people are needed to move what weight. It’s not something they come across often.The idea that you need 10 people to move 300kg is wrong, one person can easily lift 30kg, it’s just a matter of the type of grip available.
And Rueben has brought forth no verification the Lion was weighed, a hearsay weight isn’t verified and we need actual people involved to confirm that weight which hasn’t happened.
Btw the weight wasnt estimated by the amount of people. The YouTube channel belong to them... therefore I am taking this more serious. They just said they needed 10 men and they weighed the lion close to 300 kg.
And it's a bit weird that someone would estimate a lion to 300 kg.
I just said it holds some truth in it... but I also mailed them and the officer as well.
Btw this is what I got recently from Ingela Jansson. Maybe interesting for you. Her largest male lion was 240 kg.
Puyol weighed 235 kg... so this isnt that lion. Many wondered how puyol looked. Here the answer.
07-02-2021, 08:54 AM( This post was last modified: 07-02-2021, 09:06 AM by Rishi )
(07-02-2021, 05:23 AM)MotherNature Wrote: It is definitely not a estimation. You can read what they said. They needed 10 people because the lion was weighed close to 300 kg.
He meant that's not how you weigh stuff, and we don't see any scales there... (contd)
(07-02-2021, 12:00 AM)Khan85 Wrote: At 3:39, says, "...he was carried back to the shade of his trees, which took over 10 men as he weighed close to 300 kg."
...although frankly I'd find it possible for this lion to be 250kg+ at full health, if they'd weigh him in another occasion previously.
Or, in line with the other posts, could be a typo between 200kg & 300kg?
07-02-2021, 09:42 AM( This post was last modified: 07-02-2021, 11:10 AM by Rishi )
(07-02-2021, 08:54 AM)Rishi Wrote:
(07-02-2021, 05:23 AM)MotherNature Wrote: It is definitely not a estimation. You can read what they said. They needed 10 people because the lion was weighed close to 300 kg.
He meant that's not how you weigh stuff, and we don't see any scales there... (contd)
(07-02-2021, 12:00 AM)Khan85 Wrote: At 3:39, says, "...he was carried back to the shade of his trees, which took over 10 men as he weighed close to 300 kg."
...although frankly I'd find it possible for this lion to be 250kg+ at full health, if they'd weigh him in another occasion previously.
Or, in line with the other posts, could be a typo between 200kg & 300kg?
It isnt a typo because Reuben Matthew's said also that the male was close to 300 kg. He said about 284 kg.
For caesar I think 284 kg is definitely possible... at least he has the body size to reach this weight.
07-02-2021, 09:53 AM( This post was last modified: 07-02-2021, 09:56 AM by Dark Jaguar )
I agree with Rishi, that is one big male lion in the video and in healthy conditions if captured and properly weighed he could really surprise us, and Masai Mara produces massive specimens.
07-02-2021, 01:02 PM( This post was last modified: 07-02-2021, 01:03 PM by Charger01 )
This was my conversation with Sheldrick Wildlife Services as on 11th June 2021 when I enquired about Caesar's weight -
Quote:Dear (my name),
Thank you for your email and your support which is deeply appreciated. I am sorry but we do not have the information you are looking for as the vets who treated “Caesar” did not weigh him. Kind regards
Then this was my second question -
Quote:Is it possible to share if there were any other lions that were weighed during veterinary examinations in your records
Thank you
Their reply -
Quote:Dear (my name),
I am sorry but our vets do not weigh the lions or any other animals that they treat. Kind regards
(07-02-2021, 12:00 AM)Khan85 Wrote: At 3:39, says, "... he was carried back to the shade of his trees, which took over 10 men as he weighed close to 300 kg."
Pretty conflicting to the reply I received from Sheldrick WT a few weeks ago in which they told me that they don't weigh the animals they treat
What do you people think?
More updates - Just received a reply from Sheldrick concerning this lion
Quote:Dear (my name),
Thank you for your email. The vets do not have a scale with them out in the field and do not weigh the animals and as such the weight of the lion given in the video you are referring to is an estimate. Kind regards
(07-02-2021, 01:02 PM)Khan85 Wrote: This was my conversation with Sheldrick Wildlife Services as on 11th June 2021 when I enquired about Caesar's weight -
Quote:Dear (my name),
Thank you for your email and your support which is deeply appreciated. I am sorry but we do not have the information you are looking for as the vets who treated “Caesar” did not weigh him. Kind regards
Then this was my second question -
Quote:Is it possible to share if there were any other lions that were weighed during veterinary examinations in your records
Thank you
Their reply -
Quote:Dear (my name),
I am sorry but our vets do not weigh the lions or any other animals that they treat. Kind regards
Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions
