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Gabbars Weight?
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Warsaw posted this account, I want to know if this is verified or not?
Do any of you have any news on it? http://www.mid-day.com/articles/having-r...gR.dpuf%22 "Even the king of the jungle has to fight hard to stay on top, and it is no different for Gabbar, the 8-year-old tiger who, at a hefty 185 kg, is the undisputed king of the Tadoba Andhari Tiger Reserve (TATR). - See more at: http://www.mid-day.com/articles/having-r...gR.dpuf%22" With age setting in, however, Gabbar is getting tough competition from rival males and was injured in a fight last month. But unlike his namesake in the cult film Sholay, everyone has been rooting for Gabbar the tiger to make a speedy recovery, since he holds great promise for researchers at Tadoba. Gabbar is one of the two tigers that have been radio collared and are being monitored by researchers so we can better understand the big cat’s behaviour. Much to the authorities’ relief, Gabbar made a natural recovery without any human intervention and is now back on the prowl in his territory. TATR field director Prahlad Garad said, “We were a little worried last month when one of our radio-collared tigers was found with injures on his face. We had a discussion about whether we should tranquilise the animal for treatment or not. But after monitoring the animal’s movement, we came to the conclusion that there was no need for him to be tranquilised. Gabbar has recovered naturally from his injuries and is even hunting properly.” The struggle for power is far from over for Gabbar though, as sources from the tiger reserve said that due to his advancing age, Gabbar might be pushed out of his territory by younger, stronger males. This is just a matter of time, which is why it is important that the experts not waste even a single opportunity to study the tiger and his activities. Apart from the fact that Gabbar showed promise of getting better on his own, researchers did not want to tranquilise him as it would have interrupted the ongoing data collection process from his radio collar. Dr Bilal Habib from the Wildlife Institute of India (WII) who had radio-collared Gabbar and the female tiger, Tara in October last year, will study the duo for a year, until the collar’s batteries run out. Experts hope to understand prey segregation amongst males and females so that they can explain the weight difference between the two – Tara’s weight is 85 kg and Gabbar’s is 185 kg, a full 100 kg more. The researchers also plan to collar two leopards and a dhole (wild dog) in the same area to know how tigers, leopards and dholes move in the same area and how they segregate in terms of space and time. Scientist Dr Bilal Habib from WII said, “In cats it is the pouncing effect that subdues the prey and through the collaring study that we are doing, we may get the segregation data about the prey. We may also get details like what is the choice prey of a male tiger and that of a female. We want to study this factor also because there is a huge difference between the body weight of a male tiger and that of a female.” - See more at: http://www.mid-day.com/articles/having-r...gR.dpuf%22 
This was momentarily discussed here:
http://wildfact.com/forum/topic-b2-and-o...ia?page=50 This link supposedly quotes Dr. Habib: http://www.latestnews360.com/readmore/38...study.html The email of Dr. Habib is on p. 50 of the tiger picture thread linked in this post ([email protected]). You could email him for confirmation.
I got confrimation that Gabbar was indeed 185kg
"Re: Gabbar Weight  *This image is copyright of its original author Bilal Habib to youshow details *This image is copyright of its original author Yes these weights are 100% correct. Regards Bilal On 8/11/2015 1:40 AM, wrote: Good after noon Dr. Habib, I was emailing you in regards to the article stating that gabbar weighed 185kg and Choti Tara weighed 85kg? Both weights seem very small for such large looking adult cats, I was just wondering if those weights were correct and verified? Thanks for your time, Regards
Good job @Pckts, make sure to thank Dr. Habib for his reply. Either Tadoba is bit overrated for size or Gabbar is smaller than usual. On the other hand, Ranthambore could have the largest tigers, unexpectedly. Could we ever confirm the 250 kg T24 weight cited in that news article? I know the 240 kg weight was.
Of course, I did and I asked if he had weighed any others.
I think Gabbars weight seems fine, we don't know if he was empty or not, so 200kg full would be right around average. I don't think it downgrades Tadoba tigers by any means, Namdev looked larger framed than Gabbar, Katezari is larger than Namdev, Waghdoh is larger than all. Obviously just estimates but 185kg Gabbar (confirmed) 200-210kg Namdev (est) 215kg-240kg Katezari (est) Shivaji (said to be a very large tiger so I estimate him at Katezari size) Waghdoh 250kg + (est) Seem to fit nicely in what we believe to be Tiger sizes. In regards to Ranth Tigers, I think its time we start putting them in the upper tiger limit category. A female there has been confirmed at 170kg and a male that isn't even exceptionally large compared to others was confirmed at 240kg at age 3.5yrs old and sick. I never saw the confirmation of 250kg for Ustad, only 240kg. So I can't speak on that. One last thing, I know sometimes scales can be off and the type of scaled used can also contribute to that. The "85kg" mark for a Tigress is a red flag to me, just seems so small. She would literally be one of the smallest females I have ever seen. Even the Sumatran females in the SD safari park were as large as her. Obviously Im just estimating, but I wouldn't be surprised if the scale may have been off. Absolutely no way to know for sure and Im not going to push the point with the good Dr. as he took the time to respond. 
@tigerluver,
If you observe carefully all pictures of Gabbar and photographer's comments, you will rarely find anyone calling him huge, massive etc. Unlike Waghdoh, Shivaji, Katezari and few others. Anyway, its futile to estimate a tiger's weight based on just pictures. Even experienced tiger experts won't do that. Only people who have seen and weighed numerous tigers will make an estimate, that too only if they have seen the tiger up close. Regarding which area has the largest tigers, its very difficult to tell. There is little data in scientific literature, but from whatever there is, it is minimal (221 kg for Chitwan vs 217 for Nagarahole). The only population that looks distinctly larger than others is Kaziranga. But unless a good number of specimens are weighed from all locations, it can't be conclusively proven.  (09-01-2015, 01:45 AM)Pckts Wrote: I got confrimation that Gabbar was indeed 185kg Thanks for the confirmation @Pckts, I am going to add these weights to the list: 1. Ustad-Ranthambore: 240 kg. 2. Gabbar-Tadoba: 185 kg. 3. Choti Tara-Tadoba: 85 kg. To be sincere, the two weights of the males perfectly fit in the range of 180-258 kg from Mazák (1981) and 175-260 kg from Karanth (2003). However, the weight of 85 kg for a mainland female is too low, and in fact, it should be a red light. The smallest mainland tigress on record is the female T-115 "Chuchchi" from Nepal, which in its last capture weighed only 98 kg, but it was old and in that moment she was "emaciated and had badly worn canines. She was at least 15.5 years old" (Seidensticker, 1988). Only Sundarbans tigresses are known to weight about 75-80 kg. Do you know if Choti-Tara has or had cubs? Only one thing. I think that you add images in your post, right? Could you post them again? I can't see it.
@GuateGojira
No images to add, I can post some that we may find useful if that is what you're asking?
Oh, ok, don't worry. I asked because your post have two little squares with the sentence "*This image is copyright of its original author", which suggest that there could be images in the post.
But if this is not the case, don't worry. Again, thanks for the data, just put my name the next time, in order to be warned of this new data, ok?  : Greetings @Pckts.  GuateGojira Wrote:Oh, ok, don't worry. I asked because your post have two little squares with the sentence "*This image is copyright of its original author", which suggest that there could be images in the post. Hello, i have been going regularly to tadoba. i think gabbar had lately lost lot bit of weight as compared to 2 years back. so while he was weighted, its possible he could have been 185 kgs. i have seen his recent photos. he seems to have recovered and i am sure he is now around 200 kgs from his size. i also agree about the sizes and weight of other tadoba tigers but not with choti tara weght. she can't be 85 kgs. 185kg Gabbar (confirmed). (may be more now as of End august 15) 200-210kg Namdev (est) - (he may be more if you compare his size and built. may be 210- 225 kgs) 215kg-240kg Katezari (est) Shivaji (said to be a very large tiger so I estimate him at Katezari size) Waghdoh 250kg + (est
Sonu Madyaswar
22 hrs " Choti Tara & Gabbar "  *This image is copyright of its original author Obviously you don't know the dimensions but you can see that Choti Tara is a skinny girl for sure. 
Is there any proof that he actually weighed them? Any details on measurements? Im curious because when i asked Dr.Jhala. he clearly stated that no tigers were weighed in Tadoba recently. Also while 185kg is possible for Gabbar (He went through a lot the last 1.5 years and he was way under his normal weight) and 85kg isnt possible for a full grown adult tigress. Shes in a perfectly good condition and since ive followed her since birth. I can say that theres something off here. Maybe an error for sure.
(10-10-2015, 01:09 AM)Roflcopters Wrote: Is there any proof that he actually weighed them? Any details on measurements? Im curious because when i asked Dr.Jhala. he clearly stated that no tigers were weighed in Tadoba recently. Also while 185kg is possible for Gabbar (He went through a lot the last 1.5 years and he was way under his normal weight) and 85kg isnt possible for a full grown adult tigress. Shes in a perfectly good condition and since ive followed her since birth. I can say that theres something off here. Maybe an error for sure. I posted the email I received from the dr. but like you I also have skepticism about any adult tigress being 85kg but he said its 100% confirmed.
Yeah there is an error here with Choti Tara, 85kg for a fully grown adult tigress in a perfectly healthy condition is unreal and Id suggest you dont use that weight in any of your tables until its actually verified with proper measurements.
Guate, Im not sure if you have already added the weight to your database but before you do. Please give it a thought. 185kg is possible for the male (Im not too worried about that). 85kg for the female wont cut it. Just my two cents. Thanks pckts for the email. |
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