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Gabbars Weight?

Guatemala GuateGojira Offline
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In fact, I did include them. The figure of Gabbar at 185 kg is not out of the range of weights for male Indian tigers but I agree with you in the fact that the weight of just 85 kg for an adult female Bengal tiger seems fishy or inaccurate. Sundarbans tigresses do weight between 75 to 85 kg, but a mainland tigress in healthy state surpass the 100 kg. A starving old female in Nepal weighed only 98 kg, still more than these tigress from Tadoba.

Further details will be necessary, but for the moment, as these figures were confirmed, I most accept it, for the moment.
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Wow, that is Choti Tara? She definitely weight no less than 100 kg, and more like about 130-140 kg.

Certainly the weight of 85 kg was in a moment when she was sick or in bad shape.
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( This post was last modified: 11-05-2015, 10:19 PM by Pckts )

@GuateGojira
Here is the most recent video of her I can find, you be the judge





and one more recent one




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Yes, she is big, at 130-140 kg at least. However, this is how she looks now, but as far I remember she was very thin when captured and weighed in past months. That is the problem with cats , they fluctuate very much in weight.
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The first video is from 3 days ago and the 2nd is from last month.
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( This post was last modified: 11-06-2015, 10:40 AM by genao87 )

i will be scared shitless in front a large cat in a open vehicle.  yeah i know there is science of large cats not bothering attacking people on vehicles...but still....the potential for something going wrong....that woman was getting mad scared when the tiger was getting close.
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( This post was last modified: 11-16-2015, 09:30 PM by sanjay )

I don't recall the thread in which @Pckts asked me to drop a mail. So I am posting here the reply of @Vijay Rajan related to weight of Jai
 1st email

Quote:Hi Sanjay,
As far as Jai's weight is concerned, Mr.Roheet Karoo, the Hon.Wildlife Warden of Umred Karhandla WLS has confirmed that Jai was measured at 238 Kgs, at the time of being Radio collared.
Regards - Vijay




and the 2nd email

Quote:Roheet Karoo also mentions that keeping the error value of the weighing scale in consideration, the minimum weight was 220 Kgs while the maximum was 238 Kgs  (can't make out what he means by that though !). Hence assuming an average of 230 Kgs might be quite ok. He wasn't forthcoming on Jai's body measurements.

Regards - Vijay

Hope this help

A big thanks to vijay for all this information from our entire forum's member
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Guatemala GuateGojira Offline
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Wow, thank you very much for that @sanjay, that is incredible.

So its real weight was of 238 kg, but they "adjusted" (for not say another thing) to as low as 220 kg, subtracting 18 kg. However he was not baited, so who knows why they take out that number.
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( This post was last modified: 11-16-2015, 10:42 PM by Pckts )

Interesting, now it makes me wonder if they also adjusted on Gabbar and Choti Tara as well?

Edit: I shot Dr. Habib another email in regards to what Sanjay posted, hopefully we get some clarity on to why the adjustment was used.

and here is the Original Email I sent him, his response is below and my original email is under it.

"Scale Capacity 500 kg
Yes body measurements taken.
Neither baited nor gorged, he was darted on road.

BH"

On 11/12/2015 11:11 PM, XXXXX XXXXXX wrote:

I know you are busy, I was just wondering if you had a chance to review my follow up questions in regards to Jais Weight.

What was the scales capacity?
Did you take any body measurements?
Was he baited or gorged?

Thanks again for your time, regards.
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Guatemala GuateGojira Offline
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I think that the correct weight should be 230 kg empty, this subtracting the weight of all the gear to weight the tiger. Remember that when "Professor", from Russia, was weighed, he marked 210 kg but its net weight was of 204 kg (-6 kg). Latter when "Banzai" was weighed he marked 212 kg but its net weight was of 207 kg (-5kg). So, been larger, a difference of 8 kg for "Jai" seems probable and then, the weight of 230 kg could be used confidently like a "empty belly" weight.

I bet to use the weight of 230 kg, and I guess that the figures of 85 kg and 185 kg for Gabbar and Choti are probably the estimation of the lower end of the scale, not the real weight. This suggest a weight of at least c.190 kg for Gabbar and c.95 kg for Choti. Still low, but not so low.
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What Vijay is saying is that scale were imprecise, or the "error value of the weighing scale". The adjustment was not for food intake but rather this imprecision. One needs to remember scientists don't dabble with food adjustments as much as this community does.

I still find it odd scientists would need to subtract canvas weights, as every scale on the market today is easily zero'd.


18 kg of an error value for a scale is bad. The scale's limit might be too high, making it less sensitive to a tiger's mass (usually less than half of the the upper limit). I wonder how many times the specimen was lifted and a weight was taken as well, maybe the scale gave a different reading each time, and that's what Mr. Karoo is saying for error value.

I wonder how the imprecision was estimated as well. Did they weight a much lighter object and use the inaccurate reading as a correction factor? If that was the case, the much heavier object of a tiger may not correspond to the same correction factor.
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All are valid questions Tigerluver, I'd be curious as well.  I am still waiting on his response in regards to Sanjays findings, I will keep everybody up to date.
But nice job to all, it seems like we are getting better at getting real verification now  a days.
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238kg with all the gear, no bait and empty belly. I guess Guate's right on point with the -8 kilos for the gear. So 230 kilos it is for a 5 year old prime Adult male. Very interesting, thanks Pckts, Sanjay and Vijay for the back and forth updates.
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( This post was last modified: 11-19-2015, 11:09 AM by tigerluver )

I still stand my my assertion that the gear weight isn't the reason for adjustment. It was the scale error. I also would not assume empty belly in any animal, but at the same time I don't unnecessary weight corrections.

Another question, was T24 weighed under the same circumstances? It's difficult to take a 20 kg error value. How would that apply to the 240 kg? Although, as T24 got into captivity, maybe they used a standing scale, which is easy and accurate.

The 85 kg female weight would be 103 kg by the 18 kg correction. If she wasn't lifted up full and for long enough, her true weight may be closer to average 135 kg for females. 

The error in the crane scale may also be due to the movement. Tension in the ropes would be varying by the angles and the scale would be going a bit haywire.

All in all, I think we need to be a bit hesitant in taking weights whereby large error values occur. This leads to another question, how accurate were hunters at getting their weights? How about the published studies?
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( This post was last modified: 11-19-2015, 12:03 PM by Roflcopters )

Im still very skeptical myself, not so much with Gabbar or Jai. Its the female that concerns me. 85kg is impossible. If she was a tigress that i was unfamiliar with. I would have agreed but Ive known Choti Tara since she was a cub and there is no way she would've ever weighed that low. If she was malnourished, old, beaten and without a territory. That would've justified it but that is not the case here. she's a dominant female and in her prime.
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