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(10-29-2019, 07:14 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote: @Pckts
True, Pantanal jaguars are some of the biggest at 95 kg. But I was referring to jaguars (general), and Pantanal jaguars are on the higher end of the size range.
I never said they couldn't ambush and kill big caiman. I said the majority of the time they go for smaller or similar sized caiman.
They're well over 95kg, that's a small male Jaguar in the Pantanal and technically you said they were "overrated".
We're talking about where Jaguar and Caiman coexist and in Places like Los Llanos and the Pantanal, it's no surprise that Jaguars thrive and are the largest on earth, this is directly due to the fact that Caiman thrive there as well. Like I've been saying, there is no Big Cat more adept to prey on Crocodilians than the Jaguar, it's what they're built for.
And there is no "majority of time," like with all animals, the largest of Caiman make up the smallest minority but that never stops a Jaguar from preying on them when they can catch them. It's all a matter of opportunity, big cats take what they can get. Lions and Tigers prefer larger prey but that doesn't stop them from taking Chital/Impala or youngsters when the opportunity is there.
That doesnt somehow make one over or underrated though.
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(10-29-2019, 07:49 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 07:14 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote: @Pckts
True, Pantanal jaguars are some of the biggest at 95 kg. But I was referring to jaguars (general), and Pantanal jaguars are on the higher end of the size range.
I never said they couldn't ambush and kill big caiman. I said the majority of the time they go for smaller or similar sized caiman.
1: They're well over 95kg, that's a small male Jaguar in the Pantanal
2: and technically you said they were "overrated".
3: We're talking about where Jaguar and Caiman coexist and in Places like Los Llanos and the Pantanal, it's no surprise that Jaguars thrive and are the largest on earth, this is directly due to the fact that Caiman thrive there as well. Like I've been saying, there is no Big Cat more adept to prey on Crocodilians than the Jaguar, it's what they're built for.
4: And there is no "majority of time," like with all animals, the largest of Caiman make up the smallest minority but that never stops a Jaguar from preying on them when they can catch them. It's all a matter of opportunity, big cats take what they can get. Lions and Tigers prefer larger prey but that doesn't stop them from taking Chital/Impala or youngsters when the opportunity is there.
5: That doesnt somehow make one over or underrated though.
1: Source for Pantanal jaguars averaging over 95 kg? Just about everywhere I've seen states 95 kg average for males including GuateGojira himself.
2: What does that have to do with the prey preference of jaguars? I was referring to jaguars being overrated in their ability to kill very big crocodiles (you gotta admit, a jaguar's being overrated if someone's backing it against an American alligator, American crocodile, black caiman, or Orinoco crocodile. Besides, I never said they could not. I said they were overrated in terms of it).
3: Never denied that
4: Exactly, it's rare for jaguars to prey on very big caiman. I never said they couldn't but it is very rare.
5: Like I said, wrong context
That's precisely what I was referring to. Looking at weight, all those caiman seem to be of comparable weights (in fact, looking at the video of the third caiman, it seems significantly lighter). 100 kg is a big jaguar no? They are 55-95 kg, so a mean of 75 kg is good.
In the Northern Pantanal, 100kg is an average sized male Jaguar and really it's a smaller one when compared to most of the large males you see there.
Even females there can get close to 100kg at their max, they are by far the largest Jaguars on earth and that is directly correlated to the fact that they have the richest density of Caiman.
This is an absolutely massive Caiman here
Looks like the same female jaguar that killed a caiman which was a lil bit larger. But I could be wrong. Is it a male Jaguar or a female? Where was that? Pantanal?
10-29-2019, 08:05 AM( This post was last modified: 10-29-2019, 08:14 AM by johnny rex )
(10-29-2019, 06:19 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 05:31 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 04:00 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 03:40 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 03:25 AM)Pckts Wrote: 1: Trust me, when you go through the Black River, you see 100s of giant caiman, they aren't rare. Caimans are literally everywhere in the Pantanal, they're the equivalent of Chital in India or Wildebeest in Africa and they are by far the most preyed on animal by Jaguars.
2: In regards to size hunted by Jaguar, it's more to do about opportunity, when Jags hunt they swim and stalk through dense Bush, the second they see anything move they pounce, while I'm sure they prefer smaller easier prey to some extent it certainly doesnt stop them from hunting anything they can get a hold of.
1: That is true. But from what we know and see they take small caimans the vast, vast, vast majority of the time.
2: I would think that it's rather easy to ambush a similar sized or slightly larger caiman among the weeds
Where are you getting "small caiman majority of the time?"
You really should look through the Jaguar predation thread, most caiman preyed on are good sized animals, definitely not what I'd consider small. https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-jaguar-predation
A lot of those caimans look similar to or smaller in weight than the jaguars. Maybe it's just me, but I'm trying to look at what both might weigh and not visual size
Considering Jaguars can easily surpass 100kg while Caiman only reach that weight for the largest individuals, they should look larger for the most part. Also the fact that Jaguars are much stouter in length, they're going to look much more dense. Like any big cat compared to Crocodiles, the big cat has more weight per inch.
But to think these Caiman aren't large is a mistake..
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This is a Jaguar pair preying on a large Black Caiman as well although I believe it to be staged.
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I hope you also watched the videos of the Jaguars preying on Caiman in the deep water then bringing them up the bank with little issue?
The female jag killing a Yacare caiman is pretty impressive.
The video of the last picture is down below. The black caiman could be a female or a young one judging by the size.
*Not sure if it is really a black caiman though, because its head configuration looks like the head of typical Yacare caimans.
(10-29-2019, 03:25 AM)Pckts Wrote: 1: Trust me, when you go through the Black River, you see 100s of giant caiman, they aren't rare. Caimans are literally everywhere in the Pantanal, they're the equivalent of Chital in India or Wildebeest in Africa and they are by far the most preyed on animal by Jaguars.
2: In regards to size hunted by Jaguar, it's more to do about opportunity, when Jags hunt they swim and stalk through dense Bush, the second they see anything move they pounce, while I'm sure they prefer smaller easier prey to some extent it certainly doesnt stop them from hunting anything they can get a hold of.
1: That is true. But from what we know and see they take small caimans the vast, vast, vast majority of the time.
2: I would think that it's rather easy to ambush a similar sized or slightly larger caiman among the weeds
Where are you getting "small caiman majority of the time?"
You really should look through the Jaguar predation thread, most caiman preyed on are good sized animals, definitely not what I'd consider small. https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-jaguar-predation
A lot of those caimans look similar to or smaller in weight than the jaguars. Maybe it's just me, but I'm trying to look at what both might weigh and not visual size
Considering Jaguars can easily surpass 100kg while Caiman only reach that weight for the largest individuals, they should look larger for the most part. Also the fact that Jaguars are much stouter in length, they're going to look much more dense. Like any big cat compared to Crocodiles, the big cat has more weight per inch.
But to think these Caiman aren't large is a mistake..
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This is a Jaguar pair preying on a large Black Caiman as well although I believe it to be staged.
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I hope you also watched the videos of the Jaguars preying on Caiman in the deep water then bringing them up the bank with little issue?
The video of the last picture is down below. The black caiman could be a female or a young one judging by the size.
*Not sure if it is really a black caiman though, because its head configuration looks like the head of typical Yacare caimans.
(10-29-2019, 03:25 AM)Pckts Wrote: 1: Trust me, when you go through the Black River, you see 100s of giant caiman, they aren't rare. Caimans are literally everywhere in the Pantanal, they're the equivalent of Chital in India or Wildebeest in Africa and they are by far the most preyed on animal by Jaguars.
2: In regards to size hunted by Jaguar, it's more to do about opportunity, when Jags hunt they swim and stalk through dense Bush, the second they see anything move they pounce, while I'm sure they prefer smaller easier prey to some extent it certainly doesnt stop them from hunting anything they can get a hold of.
1: That is true. But from what we know and see they take small caimans the vast, vast, vast majority of the time.
2: I would think that it's rather easy to ambush a similar sized or slightly larger caiman among the weeds
Where are you getting "small caiman majority of the time?"
You really should look through the Jaguar predation thread, most caiman preyed on are good sized animals, definitely not what I'd consider small. https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-jaguar-predation
A lot of those caimans look similar to or smaller in weight than the jaguars. Maybe it's just me, but I'm trying to look at what both might weigh and not visual size
Considering Jaguars can easily surpass 100kg while Caiman only reach that weight for the largest individuals, they should look larger for the most part. Also the fact that Jaguars are much stouter in length, they're going to look much more dense. Like any big cat compared to Crocodiles, the big cat has more weight per inch.
But to think these Caiman aren't large is a mistake..
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This is a Jaguar pair preying on a large Black Caiman as well although I believe it to be staged.
*This image is copyright of its original author
I hope you also watched the videos of the Jaguars preying on Caiman in the deep water then bringing them up the bank with little issue?
The video of the last picture is down below. The black caiman could be a female or a young one judging by the size.
*Not sure if it is really a black caiman though, because its head configuration looks like the head of typical Yacare caimans.
10-29-2019, 08:15 AM( This post was last modified: 10-29-2019, 05:37 PM by Pckts )
(10-29-2019, 07:59 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 07:49 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 07:14 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote: @Pckts
True, Pantanal jaguars are some of the biggest at 95 kg. But I was referring to jaguars (general), and Pantanal jaguars are on the higher end of the size range.
I never said they couldn't ambush and kill big caiman. I said the majority of the time they go for smaller or similar sized caiman.
1: They're well over 95kg, that's a small male Jaguar in the Pantanal
2: and technically you said they were "overrated".
3: We're talking about where Jaguar and Caiman coexist and in Places like Los Llanos and the Pantanal, it's no surprise that Jaguars thrive and are the largest on earth, this is directly due to the fact that Caiman thrive there as well. Like I've been saying, there is no Big Cat more adept to prey on Crocodilians than the Jaguar, it's what they're built for.
4: And there is no "majority of time," like with all animals, the largest of Caiman make up the smallest minority but that never stops a Jaguar from preying on them when they can catch them. It's all a matter of opportunity, big cats take what they can get. Lions and Tigers prefer larger prey but that doesn't stop them from taking Chital/Impala or youngsters when the opportunity is there.
5: That doesnt somehow make one over or underrated though.
1: Source for Pantanal jaguars averaging over 95 kg? Just about everywhere I've seen states 95 kg average for males including GuateGojira himself.
2: What does that have to do with the prey preference of jaguars? I was referring to jaguars being overrated in their ability to kill very big crocodiles (you gotta admit, a jaguar's being overrated if someone's backing it against an American alligator, American crocodile, black caiman, or Orinoco crocodile. Besides, I never said they could not. I said they were overrated in terms of it).
3: Never denied that
4: Exactly, it's rare for jaguars to prey on very big caiman. I never said they couldn't but it is very rare.
5: Like I said, wrong context
Rafeal Hoogestejin Fernando Tortatto both run the Panthera capture project,
their averages are 100kg. You can see direct correspondence from them posted on numerous pages in the verified jaguar weights thread and the edge of extinction Jaguars thread.
But again, 100kg is small.
They have weights of many over 130kg and even over 148kg almost empty.
The 97kg average is from Almeidas book only and even he knew of 130kg plus Jaguars and Skulls over 21" scores. He also measured from all over the Pantanal and other areas as well and he did so during a time of immense human pressure on Jaguar and Caiman. In the meeting of the 3 rivers, that is where you have the largest cats and caimans around and that's not where Almeida did most of his hunting.
Another good IG page to follow for Southern Pantanal weights is called Oncafari, they too have a few over 130kgs but slightly smaller than the North.
In regards to someone backing it over A Black Caiman or American Alligator, I have no knowledge of that and no one here is making that claim.
Lastly, it's not rare for them to prey on large Caiman, I just posted numerous accounts of it occurring.
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That's precisely what I was referring to. Looking at weight, all those caiman seem to be of comparable weights (in fact, looking at the video of the third caiman, it seems significantly lighter). 100 kg is a big jaguar no? They are 55-95 kg, so a mean of 75 kg is good.
In the Northern Pantanal, 100kg is an average sized male Jaguar and really it's a smaller one when compared to most of the large males you see there.
Even females there can get close to 100kg at their max, they are by far the largest Jaguars on earth and that is directly correlated to the fact that they have the richest density of Caiman.
This is an absolutely massive Caiman here
Looks like the same female jaguar that killed a caiman which was a lil bit larger. But I could be wrong. Is it a male Jaguar or a female? Where was that? Pantanal?
I'm not sure the Jaguar's sex but read what he wrote about the size of the Caiman
"BY ETHAN SHAW SEPTEMBER 30 2017
Jaguars are the biggest and burliest of the New World's big cats, and rank third behind lions and tigers among the largest in the world. Packed in muscle and wielding some of the strongest jaws for their size in the cat family, they sit comfortably atop the Neotropical food web, and while elusive as heck, they sometimes permit human beings to witness them fulfil their trophic status in dramatic fashion.
Photographer Chris Brunskill caught the sequence of a lifetime along the Three Brothers River (Rio Tres Irmaos) in the Brazilian Pantanal earlier this week: a jaguar taking down what Brunskill called in a Facebook post "the biggest jacare caiman I have ever seen during my time on the river in Pantanal".
(10-29-2019, 07:14 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote: @Pckts
True, Pantanal jaguars are some of the biggest at 95 kg. But I was referring to jaguars (general), and Pantanal jaguars are on the higher end of the size range.
I never said they couldn't ambush and kill big caiman. I said the majority of the time they go for smaller or similar sized caiman.
1: They're well over 95kg, that's a small male Jaguar in the Pantanal
2: and technically you said they were "overrated".
3: We're talking about where Jaguar and Caiman coexist and in Places like Los Llanos and the Pantanal, it's no surprise that Jaguars thrive and are the largest on earth, this is directly due to the fact that Caiman thrive there as well. Like I've been saying, there is no Big Cat more adept to prey on Crocodilians than the Jaguar, it's what they're built for.
4: And there is no "majority of time," like with all animals, the largest of Caiman make up the smallest minority but that never stops a Jaguar from preying on them when they can catch them. It's all a matter of opportunity, big cats take what they can get. Lions and Tigers prefer larger prey but that doesn't stop them from taking Chital/Impala or youngsters when the opportunity is there.
5: That doesnt somehow make one over or underrated though.
1: Source for Pantanal jaguars averaging over 95 kg? Just about everywhere I've seen states 95 kg average for males including GuateGojira himself.
2: What does that have to do with the prey preference of jaguars? I was referring to jaguars being overrated in their ability to kill very big crocodiles (you gotta admit, a jaguar's being overrated if someone's backing it against an American alligator, American crocodile, black caiman, or Orinoco crocodile. Besides, I never said they could not. I said they were overrated in terms of it).
3: Never denied that
4: Exactly, it's rare for jaguars to prey on very big caiman. I never said they couldn't but it is very rare.
5: Like I said, wrong context
1: Rafeal Hoogestejin Fernando Tortatto both run the Panthera capture project,
their averages are 100kg. You can see direct correspondence from them posted on numerous pages in the verified jaguar weights thread and the edge of extinction Jaguars thread.
But again, 100kg is small.
They have weights of many over 130kg and even over 148kg almost empty.
The 97kg average is from Almeidas book only and even he knew of 130kg plus Jaguars and Skulls over 21" scores. He also measured from all over the Pantanal and other areas as well and he did so during a time of immense human pressure on Jaguar and Caiman. In the meeting of the 2 rivers, that is where you have the largest cats and caimans around and that's not where Almeida did most of his hunting.
Another good IG page to follow for Southern Pantanal weights is called Oncafari, they too have a few over 130kgs but slightly smaller than the North.
2: In regards to someone backing it over A Black Caiman or American Alligator, I have no knowledge of that and no one here is making that claim.
3: Lastly, it's not rare for them to prey on large Caiman, I just posted numerous accounts of it occurring.
1: I never said they couldn't exceed 95 kg. But 130-148 kg jaguars, while they do exist, are by no means the average
2: I told you, that was on The World of Animals. Not here.
3: As I said before, of all those nonstaged accounts, the caiman looked similar to or smaller in weight than the jaguars. Maybe that's just what I'm seeing, but none of them seemed THAT big in weight terms.
(10-29-2019, 07:14 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote: @Pckts
True, Pantanal jaguars are some of the biggest at 95 kg. But I was referring to jaguars (general), and Pantanal jaguars are on the higher end of the size range.
I never said they couldn't ambush and kill big caiman. I said the majority of the time they go for smaller or similar sized caiman.
1: They're well over 95kg, that's a small male Jaguar in the Pantanal
2: and technically you said they were "overrated".
3: We're talking about where Jaguar and Caiman coexist and in Places like Los Llanos and the Pantanal, it's no surprise that Jaguars thrive and are the largest on earth, this is directly due to the fact that Caiman thrive there as well. Like I've been saying, there is no Big Cat more adept to prey on Crocodilians than the Jaguar, it's what they're built for.
4: And there is no "majority of time," like with all animals, the largest of Caiman make up the smallest minority but that never stops a Jaguar from preying on them when they can catch them. It's all a matter of opportunity, big cats take what they can get. Lions and Tigers prefer larger prey but that doesn't stop them from taking Chital/Impala or youngsters when the opportunity is there.
5: That doesnt somehow make one over or underrated though.
1: Source for Pantanal jaguars averaging over 95 kg? Just about everywhere I've seen states 95 kg average for males including GuateGojira himself.
2: What does that have to do with the prey preference of jaguars? I was referring to jaguars being overrated in their ability to kill very big crocodiles (you gotta admit, a jaguar's being overrated if someone's backing it against an American alligator, American crocodile, black caiman, or Orinoco crocodile. Besides, I never said they could not. I said they were overrated in terms of it).
3: Never denied that
4: Exactly, it's rare for jaguars to prey on very big caiman. I never said they couldn't but it is very rare.
5: Like I said, wrong context
Rafeal Hoogestejin Fernando Tortatto both run the Panthera capture project,
their averages are 100kg. You can see direct correspondence from them posted on numerous pages in the verified jaguar weights thread and the edge of extinction Jaguars thread.
But again, 100kg is small.
They have weights of many over 130kg and even over 148kg almost empty.
The 97kg average is from Almeidas book only and even he knew of 130kg plus Jaguars and Skulls over 21" scores. He also measured from all over the Pantanal and other areas as well and he did so during a time of immense human pressure on Jaguar and Caiman. In the meeting of the 2 rivers, that is where you have the largest cats and caimans around and that's not where Almeida did most of his hunting.
Another good IG page to follow for Southern Pantanal weights is called Oncafari, they too have a few over 130kgs but slightly smaller than the North.
In regards to someone backing it over A Black Caiman or American Alligator, I have no knowledge of that and no one here is making that claim.
Lastly, it's not rare for them to prey on large Caiman, I just posted numerous accounts of it occurring.
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Very good information thanks for sharing it in the forum
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(10-29-2019, 07:14 AM)DinoFan83 Wrote: @Pckts
True, Pantanal jaguars are some of the biggest at 95 kg. But I was referring to jaguars (general), and Pantanal jaguars are on the higher end of the size range.
I never said they couldn't ambush and kill big caiman. I said the majority of the time they go for smaller or similar sized caiman.
1: They're well over 95kg, that's a small male Jaguar in the Pantanal
2: and technically you said they were "overrated".
3: We're talking about where Jaguar and Caiman coexist and in Places like Los Llanos and the Pantanal, it's no surprise that Jaguars thrive and are the largest on earth, this is directly due to the fact that Caiman thrive there as well. Like I've been saying, there is no Big Cat more adept to prey on Crocodilians than the Jaguar, it's what they're built for.
4: And there is no "majority of time," like with all animals, the largest of Caiman make up the smallest minority but that never stops a Jaguar from preying on them when they can catch them. It's all a matter of opportunity, big cats take what they can get. Lions and Tigers prefer larger prey but that doesn't stop them from taking Chital/Impala or youngsters when the opportunity is there.
5: That doesnt somehow make one over or underrated though.
1: Source for Pantanal jaguars averaging over 95 kg? Just about everywhere I've seen states 95 kg average for males including GuateGojira himself.
2: What does that have to do with the prey preference of jaguars? I was referring to jaguars being overrated in their ability to kill very big crocodiles (you gotta admit, a jaguar's being overrated if someone's backing it against an American alligator, American crocodile, black caiman, or Orinoco crocodile. Besides, I never said they could not. I said they were overrated in terms of it).
3: Never denied that
4: Exactly, it's rare for jaguars to prey on very big caiman. I never said they couldn't but it is very rare.
5: Like I said, wrong context
1: Rafeal Hoogestejin Fernando Tortatto both run the Panthera capture project,
their averages are 100kg. You can see direct correspondence from them posted on numerous pages in the verified jaguar weights thread and the edge of extinction Jaguars thread.
But again, 100kg is small.
They have weights of many over 130kg and even over 148kg almost empty.
The 97kg average is from Almeidas book only and even he knew of 130kg plus Jaguars and Skulls over 21" scores. He also measured from all over the Pantanal and other areas as well and he did so during a time of immense human pressure on Jaguar and Caiman. In the meeting of the 2 rivers, that is where you have the largest cats and caimans around and that's not where Almeida did most of his hunting.
Another good IG page to follow for Southern Pantanal weights is called Oncafari, they too have a few over 130kgs but slightly smaller than the North.
2: In regards to someone backing it over A Black Caiman or American Alligator, I have no knowledge of that and no one here is making that claim.
3: Lastly, it's not rare for them to prey on large Caiman, I just posted numerous accounts of it occurring.
1: I never said they couldn't exceed 95 kg. But 130-148 kg jaguars, while they do exist, are by no means the average
2: I told you, that was on The World of Animals. Not here.
3: As I said before, of all those nonstaged accounts, the caiman looked similar to or smaller in weight than the jaguars. Maybe that's just what I'm seeing, but none of them seemed THAT big in weight terms.
The average weight for jaguar in the Pantanal is way above 100 kg, probably closer to 115 kg. There are multiple new weights posted in the jaguar predation thread to exemplify this, post #230 has a compilation of all of them.
If you are trying to go by the outdated hunting records of Almeida 40 years ago, then your information would be highly inaccurate. For one, according to his records Llanos jaguars would take the spot as the largest jaguars because the average he achieved for them was higher, but those of us who follow and study these jaguars know that jaguars from los Llanos are in fact smaller of average than Pantanal ones and are more closer to Cerrado jaguars in weight, although the occasional large male of 130+ kg can definitely occur.
Also, your claim that jaguars are "overrated" in their interactions with crocodilians could easily be dismissed by the scientific data we have that states that Holocene jaguars developed a specialized morphology to hunt large reptilian prey on the absence of large ungulates, unlike other felids in Africa or Asia. Jaguars have the strongest jaws lb for lb and the widest zygomatic cranial width proportionally of any felid because they need a powerful bite to break through the armor and skull of the hardy animals they prey on.
To answer the question of this thread, I noticed that the feat of the 3.8 meter black caiman was already posted. Personally, I doubt even the largest jaguar could succesful kill a 300+ kg American or Orinoco prime crocodile, or a black caiman for that matter, unless the rumble occurs within land then a big male might have a chance if it can position itself above the crocodile and target the back of the neck behind the skull. Other than that, large crocodilians are too much for any cat, including lions and tigers.
A full-grown jaguar will be able to take any crocodilian, does not matter their species, a Nile or Orinoco croc, or any other cayman, even the black cayman, if the size of their head fits on its mouth and it can crush their skull with their single mortal bite.
(07-23-2020, 07:21 AM)scilover Wrote: A full-grown jaguar will be able to take any crocodilian, does not matter their species, a Nile or Orinoco croc, or any other cayman, even the black cayman, if the size of their head fits on its mouth and it can crush their skull with their single mortal bite.
(07-23-2020, 08:55 AM)Rage2277 Wrote: a big jag 135 to 140kg should be able to take a 12 -13ft crocodilian of any species
It depends on the size and the aggression. Yacare caymans are pretty much docile compared to the crocs.
