Captive Lion and Tiger weights

[Amnon242]

(04-05-2020, 05:37 PM)Hello Wrote:

(04-05-2020, 02:18 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: And this is Mauglis, 246 kg at the age of 13. Not my photo, I dont know how old he is at the photo, but he must be 13yo or older.

He looks muscular and reminds me of Tall Igor

I have never seen Mauglis in persona. Igor is not typical tiger, if fact he looks quite bizarre. I think that he is an hybrid between tiger and cheetah 

My photo of Igor. I took it in 2015. He was 5yo a around 220 kg then. Breeders told me that and BTW here is also written source for the weight. https://www.tyden.cz/rubriky/relax/zvirata/zoo-hodonin-hlasi-na-svet-prisla-vzacna-tygri-dvojcata_347903.html

"Igor vazi asi 220 kilogramu." - Igor weighs aroud 220 kilograms. In fact he looked heavier, but only because of his impressive height and lenght. But closer look revealed that his body is almost nothing. 


When I visited that zoo in 2017 breeder told me that he had to be translocated to different enclosure (he had 4 cubs). He was weighted and he was around 240 kg. But I was not lucky to see him then. And I have not been in that zoo since then.  Reply

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[Amnon242]

Im going to post another photos and info on Igor in "Gallery of captivity"...so if anybody is interested... Reply

[Amnon242]

estimate the weight (its from Slovakia...and average slovakian man is 180 cm) Reply

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[Amnon242]

and what about this one? Reply

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[johnny rex]

(04-06-2020, 12:41 AM)Amnon242 Wrote:

(04-05-2020, 05:37 PM)Hello Wrote:

(04-05-2020, 02:18 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: And this is Mauglis, 246 kg at the age of 13. Not my photo, I dont know how old he is at the photo, but he must be 13yo or older.

He looks muscular and reminds me of Tall Igor

I have never seen Mauglis in persona. Igor is not typical tiger, if fact he looks quite bizarre. I think that he is an hybrid between tiger and cheetah 

My photo of Igor. I took it in 2015. He was 5yo a around 220 kg then. Breeders told me that and BTW here is also written source for the weight. https://www.tyden.cz/rubriky/relax/zvirata/zoo-hodonin-hlasi-na-svet-prisla-vzacna-tygri-dvojcata_347903.html

"Igor vazi asi 220 kilogramu." - Igor weighs aroud 220 kilograms. In fact he looked heavier, but only because of his impressive height and lenght. But closer look revealed that his body is almost nothing. 


When I visited that zoo in 2017 breeder told me that he had to be translocated to different enclosure (he had 4 cubs). He was weighted and he was around 240 kg. But I was not lucky to see him then. And I have not been in that zoo since then. 

What is obvious in the picture, Igor have a very wide massive skull. Reply

[Hello]

(04-06-2020, 04:42 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: and what about this one?

Why they are so unusually large compared to other amurs? Reply

[johnny rex]

(04-06-2020, 04:40 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: estimate the weight (its from Slovakia...and average slovakian man is 180 cm)

One of the male Amur tigers there in Oasis Siberian Tiger in Slovakia named Bimbo is very large. Unfortunately, Bimbo and one of its brother Rocky already passed away. Not sure about their other brother named Marecek. These three Amur brothers were very big. Reply

[Hello]

@Shadow ,this is Craig Kennion and he also said Howletts once had purebred Bengals.They were allowed to hybridise with Malayan

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With a Malayan-Bengal hybrid cub

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With an adult amur Reply

[Pckts]

(04-06-2020, 02:18 PM)Hello Wrote: @Shadow ,this is Craig Kennion and he also said Howletts once had purebred Bengals.They were allowed to hybridise with Malayan

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With a Malayan-Bengal hybrid cub

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With an adult amur

Which convo did he say that?
I read when he wrote that he knew of no Bengals outside of India in any of the studbooks, I'll search around for it later today. Reply

[Amnon242]

(04-06-2020, 01:15 PM)johnny rex Wrote:

(04-06-2020, 04:40 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: estimate the weight (its from Slovakia...and average slovakian man is 180 cm)

One of the male Amur tigers there in Oasis Siberian Tiger in Slovakia named Bimbo is very large. Unfortunately, Bimbo and one of its brother Rocky already passed away. Not sure about their other brother named Marecek. These three Amur brothers were very big.

As far as I know Marecek was the biggest. And there was another tiger of similar size who was a rival of Marecek. They were aggressive to each other (but each in different enclosure).  BTW AFAIK there is around 30 tigers there. There are also barbary lions there. This is barbary with amur and slovakian females Reply

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[Amnon242]

(04-06-2020, 09:58 AM)Hello Wrote:

(04-06-2020, 04:42 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: and what about this one?

Why they are so unusually large compared to other amurs?

Hard to say...perhaps they are of Manchurian line?

But I know one family who has private zoo, lions, leopards and amur and white bengal tigers. And those tigers are also freaking huge. Oh, well...one amur is average (around 220 kg), but another amur and white bengal (they have 3 male tigers in total) absolutely dwarfed him.  And all those tigers are in very good condition. I asked him why they are so huge and so fit. He replied that it could be because his zoo is very quiet place. Animals have their privacy and dont have so much stress as in ordinary zoos. This contributes to their condition but perhaps it could also contribute to their size. 
And it could be similar in Tiger Oasis, its a private facility, much less crowded than ordinary zoos. Reply

[Hello]

(04-06-2020, 05:20 PM)Amnon242 Wrote:

(04-06-2020, 09:58 AM)Hello Wrote:

(04-06-2020, 04:42 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: and what about this one?

Why they are so unusually large compared to other amurs?

Hard to say...perhaps they are of Manchurian line?

But I know one family who has private zoo, lions, leopards and amur and white bengal tigers. And those tigers are also freaking huge. Oh, well...one amur is average (around 220 kg), but another amur and white bengal (they have 3 male tigers in total) absolutely dwarfed him.  And all those tigers are in very good condition. I asked him why they are so huge and so fit. He replied that it could be because his zoo is very quiet place. Animals have their privacy and dont have so much stress as in ordinary zoos. This contributes to their condition but perhaps it could also contribute to their size. 
And it could be similar in Tiger Oasis, its a private facility, much less crowded than ordinary zoos.

Here is an answer from an experienced big cat keeper Craig kennion
The captive population of Stud book Russian Siberian tigers are descended from 120 wild-caught Founders. Those private collections of Korean tigers will have come from a limited number taken from the wild & so the gene pool will be small, those few they caught in wild Korea may have been large tigers as they is always exceptions as there is exceptions in Southern Primorski. The captive Russian population range in different sizes due to a large gene pool Reply

[Amnon242]

This is article about Tiger Oasis. They say that amur males are 220 - 230 kg, but those in Tiger Oasis are substantially larger. 

https://www.czsk.net/dotyky/8_2003/tigre.html Reply

[Pckts]

(04-06-2020, 06:25 PM)Hello Wrote:

(04-06-2020, 05:20 PM)Amnon242 Wrote:

(04-06-2020, 09:58 AM)Hello Wrote:

(04-06-2020, 04:42 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: and what about this one?

Why they are so unusually large compared to other amurs?

Hard to say...perhaps they are of Manchurian line?

But I know one family who has private zoo, lions, leopards and amur and white bengal tigers. And those tigers are also freaking huge. Oh, well...one amur is average (around 220 kg), but another amur and white bengal (they have 3 male tigers in total) absolutely dwarfed him.  And all those tigers are in very good condition. I asked him why they are so huge and so fit. He replied that it could be because his zoo is very quiet place. Animals have their privacy and dont have so much stress as in ordinary zoos. This contributes to their condition but perhaps it could also contribute to their size. 
And it could be similar in Tiger Oasis, its a private facility, much less crowded than ordinary zoos.

Here is an answer from an experienced big cat keeper Craig kennion
The captive population of Stud book Russian Siberian tigers are descended from 120 wild-caught Founders. Those private collections of Korean tigers will have come from a limited number taken from the wild & so the gene pool will be small, those few they caught in wild Korea may have been large tigers as they is always exceptions as there is exceptions in Southern Primorski. The captive Russian population range in different sizes due to a large gene pool

Craig Kennion - Gamin is registered in the International Tiger Stud book. The captive population of Stud book Amur tigers are descendents of the 138 wildcaught Founders all taken from Russia, from those taken 119 wildcaught have living descendents alive numbering about 650 descendents alive today

Craig Kennion - ive already looked in the Stud book where all the wildcaught Amur tigers was taken from, each one is Russia, when they was caught they was given a Stud book number, where they was caught & year registered. All of today's captive 650 Amurs can be traced back without interruption all the way back to their wildcaught Founders

Craig Kennion -1950s 1960s 1970s 1980s in the early 1990s it was decided no more where needed for the captive population but a zoo home would be found for any orphaned cubs. For the past several years orphaned cubs go to the tiger rehabilitation centre & after training are released into the wild



In regards to Pure Bengals

Craig Kennion- It was a few years ago i checked where all Stud book Bengals was kept, at the time they was all in India, since then its possible some may be in other countries. Only Stud book tigers can be called 100% pure Reply

[Balam]

(04-05-2020, 04:45 PM)Hello Wrote:

(04-05-2020, 02:17 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-05-2020, 09:56 AM)Hello Wrote: Gamin weighted at 276 kg,44'' by Craig Kennion

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So has this Kennion been zookeeper somewhere? They didn´t know him now in Marwell Wildlife for instance, so it would be interesting to know, that how he could have weighed these animals as he says? I ask this because so far it has been impossible to get any official verification to any of figures stated by him. It would be very nice to get something to back up a bit more what he states. Someone should be able to verify what he is telling. He seems to be ok, but I find it a bit odd, that no-one has been able to verify those things yet.

So far still heaviest tigers verified also by zoos have been Baikal (Cherry Brook zoo, Assiniboine Park zoo) and Igor (Odenze zoo) who were 250 kg. Btw what comes to tiger weights in some advertisements, they used for Igor 250 kg when he was 13 years old, while that was his prime weight. Aslan, lion, as known was 253 kg in his prime and then again 233 kg today as an old lion, 15 years old. So it looks like, that a healthy animal in good conditions doesn´t necessarily lose so much weight, this of course can be and of course is individual thing.

Then again as mentioned lion Nkosi was 270 kg, when he died and he was also an old lion at that time, but not even closely as fit as for instance Aslan is still now as senior, difference in photos is very clear. I wonder if Nkosi was heavier when he died when comparing to his prime condition. If not, then he has had to be one huge lion. Even bigger than I have thought.

It´s pity that from South Africa it seems difficult to get replies, that tiger, which was said to have been 320 kg would be interesting. In photos he doesn´t look so special, but naturally it doesn´t mean that he wouldn´t have been that in past. Well, in these days people have a lot of other things to think about than some emails about weights.....

To me Aslan's fathern Tau (265 kg) much more fit than Aslan(252 kg) While I agree Nkosi is less fit compared to Aslan.
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I'm not sure if this information has been shared before, but are these lions Barbary/Barbary mixed, or are they Southern African lions of the subspecies melanochaita? They have a leo leo body characteristics to me. Reply