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RE: Lions in West-Africa - Spalea - 01-25-2019
(01-25-2019, 04:33 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:(01-25-2019, 12:56 AM)Spalea Wrote:(01-24-2019, 06:15 PM)Lycaon Wrote: I find it interesting that many people on this forum think west african lions look like gir lions. For me they look completely different from each other
They have common characteristics (because they both live in dry environments) but they don't resemble each other. I don't know how to describe that but I find that the west african lions have clearly the mouth of African lions (better built).
Mostly because they belong to the same subspecies, hence in a similar environment they would expose to many common traits.
The West African lions genetically cluster with the historical lions from Southeast Europe/North Africa/West Asia, also the Gir lions.
Agree. "The same causes produce the same effects". We gave a term to this: "évolution parallèle" in french, parallel development or parallel evolution.
However, thousands of kilometers separate the west african lions from the Gir lions. This parallel evolution isn't whole ('), complete.
RE: Lions in West-Africa - BorneanTiger - 01-25-2019
(01-25-2019, 12:02 PM)Lycaon Wrote: Here is a beautiful male in waza national park Cameroon
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Photographer Ralph Buij
Though Cameroon is regarded as being both a Western and Central African country, these lions are apparently of the 'Central' clade (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep30807?WT.feed_name=subjects_evolution), but then, the neighbouring West African country Nigeria has both Western and Central lion clades: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264396913_Dual_phylogenetic_origins_of_Nigerian_lions_Panthera_leo
RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-25-2019
@BorneanTiger
I guess this picture can belong in both topics.
RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-25-2019
This pride of lions trapped a baboon for their cubs
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Source https://www.facebook.com/pendjarilodge/?ref=py_c
Unknown photographer
RE: Lions in West-Africa - Matimbalani - 01-25-2019
(01-25-2019, 06:59 PM)Lycaon Wrote: This pride of lions trapped a baboon for their cubs
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Source https://www.facebook.com/pendjarilodge/?ref=py_c
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Damn! Can't be fun to be in that position.
RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-25-2019
This lioness got her tail bit off by another pride member
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But later on healed up quite nicely
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Photographer doko l flrorent
sources: https://www.facebook.com/pendjarilodge/?ref=py_c
https://www.facebook.com/BeninGuideDokoFLORENT/?ref=py_c
RE: Lions in West-Africa - GrizzlyClaws - 01-26-2019
(01-25-2019, 12:34 PM)Spalea Wrote:(01-25-2019, 04:33 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:(01-25-2019, 12:56 AM)Spalea Wrote:(01-24-2019, 06:15 PM)Lycaon Wrote: I find it interesting that many people on this forum think west african lions look like gir lions. For me they look completely different from each other
They have common characteristics (because they both live in dry environments) but they don't resemble each other. I don't know how to describe that but I find that the west african lions have clearly the mouth of African lions (better built).
Mostly because they belong to the same subspecies, hence in a similar environment they would expose to many common traits.
The West African lions genetically cluster with the historical lions from Southeast Europe/North Africa/West Asia, also the Gir lions.
Agree. "The same causes produce the same effects". We gave a term to this: "évolution parallèle" in french, parallel development or parallel evolution.
However, thousands of kilometers separate the west african lions from the Gir lions. This parallel evolution isn't whole ('), complete.
Th West African lions were ancestral to the Gir lions, so the Gir lions might still exhibit or retain some of their ancestral traits in some conditional situations; like the sparse mane, except the Gir lions are more deformed due the inbreeding.
The inter-subspecfic variation of the West African lion group is huge; from the sparse maned Gir lions to the long dark maned Barbary lions.
When the West African lions moved to the mountainous areas in North Africa, they did immediately evolve with the long dark mane and shaggy coat to resist the low temperature.
Also, the Gir lions might look like the West African lions from 110,000 years ago, while the modern West African lions have been continuously interbred with other African lion populations, so the divergent differences have already existed long time ago.
RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-26-2019
©Sébastien Sureau
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RE: Lions in West-Africa - Sanju - 01-26-2019
(01-26-2019, 12:22 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:(01-25-2019, 12:34 PM)Spalea Wrote:(01-25-2019, 04:33 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:(01-25-2019, 12:56 AM)Spalea Wrote:(01-24-2019, 06:15 PM)Lycaon Wrote: I find it interesting that many people on this forum think west african lions look like gir lions. For me they look completely different from each other
They have common characteristics (because they both live in dry environments) but they don't resemble each other. I don't know how to describe that but I find that the west african lions have clearly the mouth of African lions (better built).
Mostly because they belong to the same subspecies, hence in a similar environment they would expose to many common traits.
The West African lions genetically cluster with the historical lions from Southeast Europe/North Africa/West Asia, also the Gir lions.
Agree. "The same causes produce the same effects". We gave a term to this: "évolution parallèle" in french, parallel development or parallel evolution.
However, thousands of kilometers separate the west african lions from the Gir lions. This parallel evolution isn't whole ('), complete.
Th West African lions were ancestral to the Gir lions, so the Gir lions might still exhibit or retain some of their ancestral traits in some conditional situations; like the sparse mane, except the Gir lions are more deformed due the inbreeding.
The inter-subspecfic variation of the West African lion group is huge; from the sparse maned Gir lions to the long dark maned Barbary lions.
When the West African lions moved to the mountainous areas in North Africa, they did immediately evolve with the long dark mane and shaggy coat to resist the low temperature.
Also, the Gir lions might look like the West African lions from 110,000 years ago, while the modern West African lions have continuously interbred with other African lion populations, so the divergent differences have already existed long time ago.
Yes! Completely agreed
RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-26-2019
The same group of lions allowed hyenas to pick at their leftover buffalo kill
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Photographer Clément Aubert
RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-26-2019
The diet of lions in pendjari national park benin
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RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-26-2019
How it could relate to conservation
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RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-26-2019
A big headed male with a female
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Credits to Pendjari lodge on facebook
RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-27-2019
Strange vintage depiction of a west african lion
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RE: Lions in West-Africa - Lycaon - 01-27-2019
Some more photos of pendjari lions
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Photograoher Doko L. Florent