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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - GuateGojira - 04-29-2020 (04-07-2020, 11:21 PM)Pckts Wrote: Velizar Simeonovski Very usefull information. That means that unless that we know if the animal was fully adult or not, we can't use dentition as surrogate of size and weight, as the dentition is already fully grown even when the animal itself is istill not an adult. Sad news for some of us that use dentition to get body size of prehistoric animals. RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Pantherinae - 05-03-2020 Got in Contact with Madikwe Reserve regarding the weights of their lions. Got this response: *This image is copyright of its original author Waiting on comfirmation from 3 different vets which has worked in the reserve. Anyways though I could share it with you guys. :) Stay safe my friends:) RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Balam - 05-03-2020 (05-03-2020, 12:30 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: Got in Contact with Madikwe Reserve regarding the weights of their lions. Got this response: Impressive, thanks for sharing with us! RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Pckts - 05-03-2020 (05-03-2020, 12:30 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: Got in Contact with Madikwe Reserve regarding the weights of their lions. Got this response: Huge, try and get some measurements and capture details if you can when the bets respond. Hopefully they get back to you. Thanks Pantherinae RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Pckts - 06-14-2020 135kg Lioness RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Pckts - 06-18-2020 *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - peter - 06-18-2020 PC Thanks for the scans. Could you elaborate a bit on the source? Year of publication? Unfortunately, the author didn't quite succeed in transforming feet and inches into cm. Same for pounds and kg. The pages you scanned suggest it could be best to use the inches and pounds. Here's a few remarks on the info you posted. a - Size of lions in Somaliland and Kenia In the days of the British Raj, quite a few hunters made the trip from India to Africa to hunt lions. Northeast Africa was not that far from India. Most of those who published about their experiences didn't say a lot about the size of lions shot in that part of Africa. Based on what I found, they seemed to have been a bit smaller than lions shot in other regions in Africa. The largest lion skull I saw, however, belonged to a male captured in that part of Africa. He was shipped to Europe and his skull ended up in the former Zoological Museum of Amsterdam. At the level of averages, lions shot in what's now Kenia seem to be a bit larger than lions shot in what used to be 'Somaliland'. Individual variation in both regions, however, was quite outspoken. Exceptional individuals have been shot in Kenia in particular. I'm not only referring to the 600-pound lion discussed by 'WaveRiders'. There are more reliable records of very large lions shot in Kenia. In this respect, Kitchener could be right: variation within populations seems to be more pronounced than variation between populations. Exceptional lions can be found just about everywhere. b - Cape and Barbary lions Some years ago, I measured all big cat skulls in the Wiesbaden Museum and the Staatliches Museum für Naturkunde in Stuttgart. I saw the alleged Cape lions myself. I also saw the skeleton of an alleged Cape lion in the former Zoological Museum of Amsterdam (ZMA). Sizewise, they don't seem to be very different from lions shot in other regions in Africa. I only saw a few skulls of lions shot in the southern tip of South Africa a long time ago. Compared to skulls of lions shot in other regions in South Africa, they seemed shorter and a bit more robust. All skulls of alleged Barbary lions I saw belonged to lions born and raised in captivity. They did seem different from other lion skulls. I will post everything I have in the lion extinction thread in some time. RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Pckts - 06-18-2020 Here you are Peter, this is the source for all the modern weights and hunting info I recently posted. *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Dark Jaguar - 06-28-2020 (04-29-2020, 05:30 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: 164 kilos young male lion from South Luangwa. Unlike Big Guy male and the other male lion I posted, this male lion wasn't weighed I guess. But he was measured. length 123 and half. *This image is copyright of its original author 54. *This image is copyright of its original author Paw measurements ( Hind legs ) Pads: 6 (length), 8 (width), toe 5. *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author check 9:38m of the video for the measurement moment. I wish they revealed more of his size. RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - lionjaguar - 08-05-2020 (06-18-2020, 06:44 AM)Pckts Wrote: Thanks for sharing valuable pictures! I guess body size of Barbary lions and Cape lions are actually the same as African lions. It is just ignorant fanboys are making lies about maximum body size of Barbary lions and Cape lions. It is easy to see them in youtube. I think Cape lions were probably bigger than Barbary lions since many large mammals are also lived in their habitats. Every huge size records of Barbary lions were probably exaggerated or domestic animal killers. RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Yusuf - 08-21-2020 Hello guys. I'm new in this forum. I have a data about a 158 kg serengeti male Lion who had a chest Grith of 122cm. Pound for pound this is even more than the 172 kg Tuger with a chest girth of 130cm from Brander. Source comes from craig Packer. Its reliable though.... *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author Source: https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=BuRNzkcAP_YC&pg=PT78&lpg=PT78&dq=48+inch+chest+girth+craig+packer&source=bl&ots=hk4qFMbjtY&sig=ACfU3U3Sw6weUnBWp2MRP_V5EUWueP2wgQ&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6i4PUzazrAhXysosKHTgYAtoQ6AEwAHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=48%20inch%20chest%20girth%20craig%20packer&f=false RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Balam - 09-08-2020 Here are the body measurements of lions from Etosha national park, gathered by the Africat Hobatere Lion Reasearch Project in 2016. Judging by the high values in areas such as height (especially for Gaob), I'm almost certain that measurements were taken over curves, and for the height, they probably measured it from the paw tip up to the shoulder, rather than from the radius bone: *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author The full study has been attached to this post. EDIT: Looking at earlier pages in this thread it appears as though these measurements had already been discussed, however, the original table had not been posted, so hopefully this can bring more clarity and details. RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - GuateGojira - 09-08-2020 (08-05-2020, 10:05 PM)lionjaguar Wrote: Thanks for sharing valuable pictures! I guess body size of Barbary lions and Cape lions are actually the same as African lions. It is just ignorant fanboys are making lies about maximum body size of Barbary lions and Cape lions. It is easy to see them in youtube. I think Cape lions were probably bigger than Barbary lions since many large mammals are also lived in their habitats. Every huge size records of Barbary lions were probably exaggerated or domestic animal killers. Check this topic for more infromation about the size of the Barbary and Cape lion. I provided all the information available and the conclutions is that the Barbary lions were not larger than the East African lions. Link: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-the-size-of-the-barbary-lion Hope this helps. RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - GuateGojira - 09-08-2020 (09-08-2020, 07:27 AM)Balam Wrote: Here are the body measurements of lions from Etosha national park, gathered by the Africat Hobatere Lion Reasearch Project in 2016. Judging by the high values in areas such as height (especially for Gaob), I'm almost certain that measurements were taken over curves, and for the height, they probably measured it from the paw tip up to the shoulder, rather than from the radius bone: Thank you for the information, I already elaborate an investigation about those measurements and the conclution is that while the weights are accurate (and include stomach content), the measurements are a real mess. Please check this link, in post No. 53 and 57: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-modern-weights-and-measurements-of-wild-lions?page=4 RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions - Pckts - 09-08-2020 (08-21-2020, 08:26 PM)Yusuf Wrote: Hello guys. I'm new in this forum. The weight is an estimate based off of Chest girth and im not sure how you came to a conclusion that it somehow has a larger girth "lb for lb" when they are 14kg apart in weight and 8cm apart in chest girth. You'd have to first correlate chest girth to weight then figure out how much additional chest girth needs to be added to increase the weight and by what %. Lastly is that you'd need to find a large enough sample size to compare. |