(03-09-2024, 08:06 PM)Potato Wrote:

(03-09-2024, 07:00 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: I was thinking, is there any known example of duo coalition where both males reached atleast 13 yrs of age as are Ross males now? On top of that, they are still territorial.

Clearly particularly healty genes out there, 13 years old and still in top condition. Very few males are able to reach that point, not even mentioning entire coalition to reach that point be that duo or not.

(03-10-2024, 04:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Take for instance their permitting BYM to remain with the pride for years beyond what most young males are allowed

(03-10-2024, 04:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote: even years beyond what they permitted with the Birmingham Breakaway males, and the group of Birmingham males that includes the white male.

(03-10-2024, 05:27 AM)sik94 Wrote: The Ross males pretty much have a good cop and bad cop dynamic and it served them very well over the years. Tyson's aggressive personality got them early success as young males and Fabio's passive personality has given them stability, If both had Tyson's personality they would have probably gone down the Mbiri males domination path of constantly getting in fights and moving around more. BYM would definitely have not made it out alive if both had Tyson's personality, that's for sure.

(03-10-2024, 05:16 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(03-10-2024, 04:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Take for instance their permitting BYM to remain with the pride for years beyond what most young males are allowed

They never permitted it lol BYM was lucky he didn't get killed at some point cuz he was playing with fire, and once he was injured he had no option but to stick with the pride as much as he could even if it meant risking his life. 

(03-10-2024, 04:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote: even years beyond what they permitted with the Birmingham Breakaway males, and the group of Birmingham males that includes the white male.

That's not how I remember it? the breakaways left the pride at the normal age and the white male with his two brothers left a little early if anything. Those 3 were exploring the areas around them away from the pride at an early age and left at the perfect time.

(03-10-2024, 08:57 PM)BA0701 Wrote: As for the breakaways leaving at the normal age, that comment proves my point, BYM was permitted to linger years longer than normal, whereas the Breakaway Males and the Birmingham Males with the white male left at what would be considered a normal time. My point was that the situation with BYM was in itself very strange, which we were all commenting on at the time.

(03-10-2024, 09:50 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-10-2024, 08:57 PM)BA0701 Wrote: As for the breakaways leaving at the normal age, that comment proves my point, BYM was permitted to linger years longer than normal, whereas the Breakaway Males and the Birmingham Males with the white male left at what would be considered a normal time. My point was that the situation with BYM was in itself very strange, which we were all commenting on at the time.

Breakaways where not exactly under Ross males that closely, they rarely visit them, they pretty much left on their own, but keep returning to the pride even by last year.

White male and bros started to explore early, but still aswell keep returning to the pride and Ross males up until they made a move to north of Timbavati, which is not that much earlier then BYM moved off with Torchwood male (cant remember exact dates).

In both cases we started speculated that both parties might join Ross males, as both parties where occasionaly still with them and pride up to around 4.5 - 5 yrs of age.

I think problem is that, with Fabio being very passive in this act, Tyson had hard time ousting young males, especially when they grow in size, then he just gives up and "accepts" them.

I mean, we have photos of Fabio rubbing heads with both BYM and white male when those boys where already bigger then him, he looks to like young boys around hehe.

If i remember correctly, not long ago on video Tyson attacked current BYM, around the same age he did Osindile back in 2020.

Tyson is classic bully, when he sees he is stronger he will attack, but when males grow in size and strenght, he is like "i was joking, you can stay here, i actually dont mind" hehe, and then males just leave on their own for good when they feel ready.

(03-10-2024, 04:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Take for instance their permitting BYM to remain with the pride for years beyond what most young males are allowed, even years beyond what they permitted with the Birmingham Breakaway males, and the group of Birmingham males that includes the white male.

(03-11-2024, 12:43 AM)afortich Wrote:

(03-10-2024, 04:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Take for instance their permitting BYM to remain with the pride for years beyond what most young males are allowed, even years beyond what they permitted with the Birmingham Breakaway males, and the group of Birmingham males that includes the white male.

Hey bud, I heard from someone who appear to know a lot that such a permission has to do more with the Birmingham Pride than with the dominant coalition. 
I was told that these lionesses are the one not allowing the subadults to stay until ready to have a great chance of survival while nomads.

(03-11-2024, 12:46 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(03-11-2024, 12:43 AM)afortich Wrote:

(03-10-2024, 04:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Take for instance their permitting BYM to remain with the pride for years beyond what most young males are allowed, even years beyond what they permitted with the Birmingham Breakaway males, and the group of Birmingham males that includes the white male.

Hey bud, I heard from someone who appear to know a lot that such a permission has to do more with the Birmingham Pride than with the dominant coalition. 
I was told that these lionesses are the one not allowing the subadults to stay until ready to have a great chance of survival while nomads.

Could be, but the one thing that we do know is that it is almost always the males who drive them out. Who made the decision that it was time? Your guess is as good as mine on that one.