(04-26-2022, 03:53 AM)Pckts Wrote: Muggers can get massive depending on the location 

She conservatively estimated him to be over 4m but not by much. 

" ooh good question... He's such a dense hunk of croc that I'm trying to avoid my inclination to massively overestimate... over 4m, but probably not much over"

She has good experience with 4m crocs so I think that's a very valid estimate. 

One of both together, not the same specimens though

(04-26-2022, 04:03 AM)LonePredator Wrote:

(04-26-2022, 03:53 AM)Pckts Wrote: Muggers can get massive depending on the location 

She conservatively estimated him to be over 4m but not by much. 

" ooh good question... He's such a dense hunk of croc that I'm trying to avoid my inclination to massively overestimate... over 4m, but probably not much over"

She has good experience with 4m crocs so I think that's a very valid estimate. 

One of both together, not the same specimens though

Yes! 4 metre muggers might actually be common especially in the north. But anyway, I was specifically trying to estimate the weight of the crocodile killed by Machli and I would say that crocodile was 300kg+

And how are the Gharial and Mugger just sitting together? Looks very funny seeing those two together without any hostility.

Many years ago a 6.5 metre Gharial was found in my hometown. I wonder what happens when Gharials interact with Tigers. I’m sure the Tigers end up slaughtering them as they are easier to deal with compared to Muggers.

(04-26-2022, 04:11 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-26-2022, 04:03 AM)LonePredator Wrote:

(04-26-2022, 03:53 AM)Pckts Wrote: Muggers can get massive depending on the location 

She conservatively estimated him to be over 4m but not by much. 

" ooh good question... He's such a dense hunk of croc that I'm trying to avoid my inclination to massively overestimate... over 4m, but probably not much over"

She has good experience with 4m crocs so I think that's a very valid estimate. 

One of both together, not the same specimens though

Yes! 4 metre muggers might actually be common especially in the north. But anyway, I was specifically trying to estimate the weight of the crocodile killed by Machli and I would say that crocodile was 300kg+

And how are the Gharial and Mugger just sitting together? Looks very funny seeing those two together without any hostility.

Many years ago a 6.5 metre Gharial was found in my hometown. I wonder what happens when Gharials interact with Tigers. I’m sure the Tigers end up slaughtering them as they are easier to deal with compared to Muggers.

She knew of one specific instance of a Tiger killing a large Gharial. Machli’s mugger she killed was probably around 11-12’ at most.

(04-26-2022, 03:01 AM)LonePredator Wrote: Ahh! Then we only have two weights. One is an 111kg @ 274cm estimate by Brander and one real weight of 195kg @ 300cm. And @Ashutosh told me about the 750kg weight but now it indeed seems unreliable.

As for the American crocodile, I’m not sure if I should use the American crocodile to estimate the size of Muggers because I tried using Saltwater crocodile and it did not work so using American Crocodile may also not work.

Unfortunately it’s impossible to get an estimation for the 350cm mugger with just two available weights and measurements to use as surrogates. If I had 5 or even 4 weights and measurements available to use then maybe I could have derived a nearly accurate relation between the weight and length of muggers.

With 4 varying pairs of weights and measurements, I could have made multiple different combinations and averaged them out to get an estimation but with only 2, I can only get a single one (which would obviously be completely unreliable)

As for the saltwater crocodiles, I got an average exponent of around 3 [LOG base(higher length/lower length) higher weight/lower weight] but the exponents wildly varied between slightly below 3 to slightly more than 4 and I had to take the average of more than 10 different exponents to get this

But since we have only 2 weights and measurements, it’s impossible to calculate an estimated weight for the mugger killed by Machli. I would still say around 300kg.

Nevertheless, thanks a lot friend. You were very helpful just as always.

(04-25-2022, 10:58 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: Not to mention she was very well “above average” size for a tigress, especially as she was very much in her prime at this time aged 6-7.

(04-26-2022, 05:07 AM)LandSeaLion Wrote:

(04-25-2022, 10:58 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: Not to mention she was very well “above average” size for a tigress, especially as she was very much in her prime at this time aged 6-7.

Just curious, do you have a source for this? I was under the impression that Machli was average sized, or perhaps only a little bigger than average (which honestly is what made her feats, including standing up to much larger male tigers, all the more impressive to me - she had sheer ferocity and force of will on her side, rather than size).

(04-26-2022, 05:07 AM)LandSeaLion Wrote:

(04-25-2022, 10:58 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: Not to mention she was very well “above average” size for a tigress, especially as she was very much in her prime at this time aged 6-7.

Just curious, do you have a source for this? I was under the impression that Machli was average sized, or perhaps only a little bigger than average (which honestly is what made her feats, including standing up to much larger male tigers, all the more impressive to me - she had sheer ferocity and force of will on her side, rather than size).

(04-26-2022, 05:15 AM)LonePredator Wrote:

(04-26-2022, 05:07 AM)LandSeaLion Wrote:

(04-25-2022, 10:58 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: Not to mention she was very well “above average” size for a tigress, especially as she was very much in her prime at this time aged 6-7.

Just curious, do you have a source for this? I was under the impression that Machli was average sized, or perhaps only a little bigger than average (which honestly is what made her feats, including standing up to much larger male tigers, all the more impressive to me - she had sheer ferocity and force of will on her side, rather than size).

Agreed. It was not the size of the fighter but the size of the fight in the fighter kinda thing. But what do you mean that she stood up to males? I’ve heard of this too but how much truth to it? Did she defeat a male Tiger?

(04-27-2022, 09:34 PM)LonePredator Wrote: Indeed! There’s a lot of fairytales floating around about Tigers like for example, the Tiger Jai was called the ‘largest Tiger of India’ by many news articles when in fact the Tiger was just of average weight.

(04-28-2022, 06:01 PM)Hello Wrote: 220 kg tiger is still a huge cat whether it be an amur or a bengal. Its not extremely common. 220kg is a bulky animal with some amount of fat, unless its a lean, tall animal.