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RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - TheLioness - 08-20-2021
(08-20-2021, 09:32 AM)peter Wrote:(08-18-2021, 05:47 PM)TheLioness Wrote:
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Hope all is well, Lioness. Can you please add the source of the info you posted on the tigress and the Lioness?
All is well, hope all is well there Peter. Yes of course, sorry i thought I added that in with it. A quick google book search would show anyone the books.
Lioness source
Clinical Cases in Avian and Exotic Animal Hematology and Cytology
By Terry W. Campbell, Krystan R. Grant · 2011
Tigress source
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association
Volume 159, Issue 2
By American Veterinary Medical Association · 1971
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - BIGCATSXPERT - 09-02-2021
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?url=https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/the-largest-lions-from-captivity-t301.html&share_tid=301&share_fid=1562097&share_type=t&link_source=app
Hello everyone I made this thread about largest lions from captivity till ever...
Pls see this and Inform me if it's confirmed or not
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - BIGCATSXPERT - 09-04-2021
https://youtu.be/-1wlHi_KK1U
650 pound male lion??
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/mar/06/feline-dentistry/
Mumbasa not 800 lbs (unconfirmed report) but well over 600 lbs
http://www.thirdage.com/humor/...lion-receives-root-canal-video confirmed here
That's insane!!!?
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - Spalea - 09-04-2021
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RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - BIGCATSXPERT - 09-04-2021
(09-04-2021, 06:12 PM)Spalea Wrote: @BIGCATSXPERT: You can be sure, it's very easy to download a youtube video...
@Spalea what video?
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - Spalea - 09-05-2021
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https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-how-to-embed-insert-videos-in-posts
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - BIGCATSXPERT - 09-05-2021
(09-05-2021, 12:13 AM)Spalea Wrote: @BIGCATSXPERT: as concerns the way to download videos from youtube and so on, if you want to read some tips :
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-how-to-embed-insert-videos-in-posts
Ok thank you...
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - LandSeaLion - 09-15-2021
A thesis by Shilpa Pradeep Parbhu (University of Johannesburg, 2019) comparing the morphological and genetic characteristics of captive lions in South Africa with those of their wild counterparts:
https://ujcontent.uj.ac.za/vital/access/services/Download/uj:33564/SOURCE1
Lions from four breeding facilities in South Africa were measured. The morphological characteristics are laid out in detail on page 28. I’ve copied most of them below; the thesis also has a few extra measurements like leg length and canine length (shoulder length is the length between the shoulder blades and the start of the tail, by the way):
Facility 1 (n=23)
Males (n=7)
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Average weight: 241.16 kg
Average total length: 296.86cm
Shoulder length: 116.43cm
Abdominal girth: 159.2cm
Chest girth: 149.4cm
Tail length: 90.71cm
Tail circumference: 30.57cm
Head length: 42.84cm
Head width: 31.14cm
Females (n=16)
——
Average weight: 149.65 kg
Average total length: 250.21cm
Shoulder length: 101.64cm
Abdominal girth: 132.14cm
Chest girth: 122.23cm
Tail length: 80.31cm
Tail circumference: 25.44cm
Head length: 35.5cm
Head width: 19.33cm
Facility #2 (n=11)
Males (n=4)
——
Average weight: 199.65kg
Average total length: 290.75cm
Shoulder length: 158cm
Abdominal girth: 141.5cm
Chest girth: 142.25cm
Tail length: 85.75cm
Tail circumference: 26.25cm
Head length: 44.5cm
Head width: 29.75cm
Females (n=7)
——
Average weight: 121.23cm
Average total length: 243cm
Shoulder length: 134cm
Abdominal girth: 115.5cm
Chest girth: 112cm
Tail length: 74.57cm
Tail circumference: 23.25cm
Head length: 35.29cm
Head width: 20.43cm
Facility #3 (n=11)
Males (n=2)
——
Average weight: 260.25kg
Average total length: 298.5cm
Shoulder length: 168cm
Abdominal girth: 153cm
Chest girth: 158cm
Tail length: 93.5cm
Tail circumference: 32.25cm
Head length: 48cm
Head width: 34cm
Females (n=9)
——
Average weight: 161.94kg (the boxplot on page 32 indicates that one outlier lioness weighed about 220kg)
Average total length: 254.39cm
Shoulder length: 134.67cm
Abdominal girth: 132.89cm
Chest girth: 129.44cm
Tail length: 83.67cm
Tail circumference: 26.72cm
Head length: 35.11cm
Head width: 19.63cm
Facility #4 (n=81)
Males (n=26)
——
Average weight: 227.78kg
Average total length: -
Shoulder length: 155.23cm
Abdominal girth: -
Chest girth: -
Tail length: -
Tail circumference: -
Head length: -
Head width: -
Females (n=18 - I suspect this might be a typo, given that n total is meant to be 81 for facility #4)
——
Average weight: 159.82kg
Average total length: -
Shoulder length: 132.83cm
Abdominal girth: -
Chest girth: -
Tail length: -
Tail circumference: -
Head length: -
Head width: -
The average weights of males and females was 229kg and 152kg respectively (compared to 190kg and 126kg for lions in the wild). Potential reasons given for the discrepancy include selective breeding for larger lions in captivity (pg 40), more regular feeding sessions (pg 42) and less room to exercise (pg 42).
The captive lions in these particular facilities showed good genetic diversity, and no visible evidence of disease or malnutrition.
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - Spalea - 09-15-2021
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About #687: I am not specialist, but what do you call "Shoulder length" ?
When I read :
Facility 1 shoulder length of male : 116,43 cm
Facility 3 shoulder length of male : 168 cm
Are they quite different from this part of the body ?
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - LandSeaLion - 09-15-2021
(09-15-2021, 11:52 AM)Spalea Wrote: @LandSeaLion:
About #687: I am not specialist, but what do you call "Shoulder length" ?
When I read :
Facility 1 shoulder length of male : 116,43 cm
Facility 3 shoulder length of male : 168 cm
Are they quite different from this part of the body ?
Yeah that stood out to me as a bit odd too. The “shoulder length” is defined in the paper as the distance between the shoulder blades/scapula and the start of the tail. It’s such a sizeable difference that I wondered if they had perhaps made an error (especially considering the lions’ overall total length is very similar, the lions in facility #3 having longer heads and tails), but the author also notes it as a big difference.
116cm seems too short to me.
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - Spalea - 09-15-2021
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About #689: OK ! "Shoulder length" is the body length except the head, the neck and the tail... Thank you.
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - BIGCATSXPERT - 09-15-2021
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And 229kg on average..?
Can you share me that link in pm.its not happening..
Also do this include wild lion weights?
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - LandSeaLion - 09-15-2021
(09-15-2021, 01:00 PM)BIGCATSXPERT Wrote: @Yeah they’re very big cats, especially the ones at facility #3. No wild lions were measured, just captive ones (I think the quoted 190kg/126kg estimate for wild lions came from a paper by Smuts).LandSeaLionwow lions of 260 kg and 241kg
And 229kg on average..?
Can you share me that link in pm.its not happening..
Also do this include wild lion weights?
I’m not sure why the link isn’t working, it seems to be okay for me. Perhaps it’ll work if you Google it? The title of the thesis is “Captive Breeding and Conservation: Lessons from Captive Lion Breeding,” published March 2019 by Shilpa Pradeep Parbhu, Faculty of Science, University of Johannesburg.
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - LandSeaLion - 09-21-2021
Sultan, Sita, Taj and Rama were a quartette of Bengal tigers born in 1998 at Dreamworld in Queensland, Australia (“The Awesome Pawsome”). These photos give a great sense of how enormous tigers are compared to humans…
Sultan (200kg)
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William Ong, Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/william_modelux/2541234389/
Sita (135kg)
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John, Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/shebalso/5262809937/
Taj (195kg)
*This image is copyright of its original author
GetHiroshima, Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/gethiroshima/3279548239/Rama (180kg)
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Amanda Greenslade, Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/alikai/2563568481
RE: Captive Lion and Tiger weights - BIGCATSXPERT - 10-08-2021
(09-15-2021, 11:27 AM)LandSeaLion Wrote: A thesis by Shilpa Pradeep Parbhu (University of Johannesburg, 2019) comparing the morphological and genetic characteristics of captive lions in South Africa with those of their wild counterparts:
https://ujcontent.uj.ac.za/vital/access/services/Download/uj:33564/SOURCE1
Lions from four breeding facilities in South Africa were measured. The morphological characteristics are laid out in detail on page 28. I’ve copied most of them below; the thesis also has a few extra measurements like leg length and canine length (shoulder length is the length between the shoulder blades and the start of the tail, by the way):
Facility 1 (n=23)
Males (n=7)
——
Average weight: 241.16 kg
Average total length: 296.86cm
Shoulder length: 116.43cm
Abdominal girth: 159.2cm
Chest girth: 149.4cm
Tail length: 90.71cm
Tail circumference: 30.57cm
Head length: 42.84cm
Head width: 31.14cm
Females (n=16)
——
Average weight: 149.65 kg
Average total length: 250.21cm
Shoulder length: 101.64cm
Abdominal girth: 132.14cm
Chest girth: 122.23cm
Tail length: 80.31cm
Tail circumference: 25.44cm
Head length: 35.5cm
Head width: 19.33cm
Facility #2 (n=11)
Males (n=4)
——
Average weight: 199.65kg
Average total length: 290.75cm
Shoulder length: 158cm
Abdominal girth: 141.5cm
Chest girth: 142.25cm
Tail length: 85.75cm
Tail circumference: 26.25cm
Head length: 44.5cm
Head width: 29.75cm
Females (n=7)
——
Average weight: 121.23cm
Average total length: 243cm
Shoulder length: 134cm
Abdominal girth: 115.5cm
Chest girth: 112cm
Tail length: 74.57cm
Tail circumference: 23.25cm
Head length: 35.29cm
Head width: 20.43cm
Facility #3 (n=11)
Males (n=2)
——
Average weight: 260.25kg
Average total length: 298.5cm
Shoulder length: 168cm
Abdominal girth: 153cm
Chest girth: 158cm
Tail length: 93.5cm
Tail circumference: 32.25cm
Head length: 48cm
Head width: 34cm
Females (n=9)
——
Average weight: 161.94kg (the boxplot on page 32 indicates that one outlier lioness weighed about 220kg)
Average total length: 254.39cm
Shoulder length: 134.67cm
Abdominal girth: 132.89cm
Chest girth: 129.44cm
Tail length: 83.67cm
Tail circumference: 26.72cm
Head length: 35.11cm
Head width: 19.63cm
Facility #4 (n=81)
Males (n=26)
——
Average weight: 227.78kg
Average total length: -
Shoulder length: 155.23cm
Abdominal girth: -
Chest girth: -
Tail length: -
Tail circumference: -
Head length: -
Head width: -
Females (n=18 - I suspect this might be a typo, given that n total is meant to be 81 for facility #4)
——
Average weight: 159.82kg
Average total length: -
Shoulder length: 132.83cm
Abdominal girth: -
Chest girth: -
Tail length: -
Tail circumference: -
Head length: -
Head width: -
The average weights of males and females was 229kg and 152kg respectively (compared to 190kg and 126kg for lions in the wild). Potential reasons given for the discrepancy include selective breeding for larger lions in captivity (pg 40), more regular feeding sessions (pg 42) and less room to exercise (pg 42).
The captive lions in these particular facilities showed good genetic diversity, and no visible evidence of disease or malnutrition.
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I want you help tho
Can you pls get more info about this study and contact the guy who took measurements of these lions?
It will be nice if you can...
Pls reply