(05-14-2024, 10:57 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(05-14-2024, 10:50 PM)T I N O Wrote: Plains camp males featured finally on WildEarth! 

They had their "debut" on WE back in 2021 as young nomads.

(05-16-2024, 11:59 PM)Mapokser Wrote: They're definitely the Mapogo of this time.

I think there will be a big clash in the north soon, be it against Kambulas or Mantimahle/Ndhzengas coming to investigate.

(05-17-2024, 04:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Personally, and yes subjectively, but I am not sure that the PCM or the Ndzengas want to mess with each other, otherwise we'd have seen the PCMs move east and go for the Kambulas, the biggest prize in all of SS, or we'd see the Nwas moving west to try and conquer all of the prides over there, we can toss the Gijimas in that mix as well. None of these three are pushing towards any of the others, I believe it is because the risk of doing so outweighs the possible reward. There is a lot of young cubs all around, so it would not take a lot to get drive those females into estrus, but regardless of which duo we are talking about, to go after any of those prides is to risk everything you have, I think they all understand the strength of the guardians that would await them.

We've seen, just recenty, some interactions between the Nkhulus and the Gijimas, it seems the Gijimas are more comfortable taking their chances with a splintered group of 6 than to push into the PCMs territory, but we haven't seen the PCMs moving into Gijima territory either.

(05-18-2024, 05:41 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @BA0701 No, I meant that the Ximhungwe will be the new NK Breakaways in the sense they'll be another small pride ( 2 adults and 2 cubs ) that the PCM stops visiting after they take over a bigger pride.

PCM borderline stopped visiting the NK Breakaways after they took over the Mangheni pride. Luckily for the NK Breakaways though is that they were still in the core of the PCM territory so they didn't lose any members to other males, but in compensation lost the 2 adults to the Manghenis.

However the Ximhungwe are at a great risk of losing all their protection since in this case the PCM would be moving to another territory far away from the Ximhungwe. In the Mangheni case the Manghenis's historical territory was already in the PCM core territory so the PCM didn't shift their territory to take over them.

Another reason I think contributed for the PCM stopping visiting the NK Breakaways was Purple Eye's death. With only 1 adult lioness available the PCM were probably less motivated to visit, it's not like Ridge Nose could offer them much food. Solo females are rarely visited by their dominant males.

In the case of the Manghenis, it may be the case that the PCM are already not visiting them often anymore, in the past 2 months or so we only had 1 sighting of them together ( a few days ago ), it could be that it's because we don't get much sightings of Singita, but the sightings we had of them were never together, either we saw Manghenis by themselves or the PCM by themselves. Another member pointed out that this might also be because the cubs are over 1yo ( age the NK Breakaways were when the PCM stopped visiting ), the older Mangheni cubs are a few months over 1yo now and the youngest cub turns 1 next month.

2/5 Mangheni females are very old, let's not forget, they'll probably not live for much longer, with the cubs getting older and if 2 females die, the PCM will have even less motivation to visit, less food and in their eyes cubs that are already too big to need much attention.

We saw, however, what happens when dominant males abandon their cubs too early, the Styx pride was decimated and probably only still exists ( as well as the 2 Southern daughters of Ndhzengas ) because the Gijimas are surprisingly tolerant of female subadults.

We can also look at the Talamatis, S8 died and very quickly his subs followed him, currently I think only the male sub is accounted for... If we go back a little longer, Majingilanes died and 10/12 Mangheni subs died with them.

 
If the PCM abandons any of their 2 prides before the cubs are at least 3yo, things might not end well for them, especially if they get abandoned before they are even 2y, and the oldest Mangheni cubs need 9 more months till they turn 2yo, Ximhungwe and youngest Mangheni cub need around a year.

(05-21-2024, 06:27 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:

(05-18-2024, 05:41 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @BA0701 No, I meant that the Ximhungwe will be the new NK Breakaways in the sense they'll be another small pride ( 2 adults and 2 cubs ) that the PCM stops visiting after they take over a bigger pride.

PCM borderline stopped visiting the NK Breakaways after they took over the Mangheni pride. Luckily for the NK Breakaways though is that they were still in the core of the PCM territory so they didn't lose any members to other males, but in compensation lost the 2 adults to the Manghenis.

However the Ximhungwe are at a great risk of losing all their protection since in this case the PCM would be moving to another territory far away from the Ximhungwe. In the Mangheni case the Manghenis's historical territory was already in the PCM core territory so the PCM didn't shift their territory to take over them.

Another reason I think contributed for the PCM stopping visiting the NK Breakaways was Purple Eye's death. With only 1 adult lioness available the PCM were probably less motivated to visit, it's not like Ridge Nose could offer them much food. Solo females are rarely visited by their dominant males.

In the case of the Manghenis, it may be the case that the PCM are already not visiting them often anymore, in the past 2 months or so we only had 1 sighting of them together ( a few days ago ), it could be that it's because we don't get much sightings of Singita, but the sightings we had of them were never together, either we saw Manghenis by themselves or the PCM by themselves. Another member pointed out that this might also be because the cubs are over 1yo ( age the NK Breakaways were when the PCM stopped visiting ), the older Mangheni cubs are a few months over 1yo now and the youngest cub turns 1 next month.

2/5 Mangheni females are very old, let's not forget, they'll probably not live for much longer, with the cubs getting older and if 2 females die, the PCM will have even less motivation to visit, less food and in their eyes cubs that are already too big to need much attention.

We saw, however, what happens when dominant males abandon their cubs too early, the Styx pride was decimated and probably only still exists ( as well as the 2 Southern daughters of Ndhzengas ) because the Gijimas are surprisingly tolerant of female subadults.

We can also look at the Talamatis, S8 died and very quickly his subs followed him, currently I think only the male sub is accounted for... If we go back a little longer, Majingilanes died and 10/12 Mangheni subs died with them.

 
If the PCM abandons any of their 2 prides before the cubs are at least 3yo, things might not end well for them, especially if they get abandoned before they are even 2y, and the oldest Mangheni cubs need 9 more months till they turn 2yo, Ximhungwe and youngest Mangheni cub need around a year.

Let's just hope it won't lead to Mhangeni 12 2.0.
(OT, sorry)

(05-21-2024, 10:10 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @NLAL11 Old females have turned 15 already.

The hope is that even if the PCM take over the NK pride, they don't abandon Manghenis and also don't get killed by Kambulas or other coalitions. Then if the 2 OG females can survive in good form for one more year, the burden on the 3 younger females will be much smaller as the cubs, being 2yo now, will be able to hunt too.

(05-21-2024, 10:10 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @NLAL11 Old females have turned 15 already.

The hope is that even if the PCM take over the NK pride, they don't abandon Manghenis and also don't get killed by Kambulas or other coalitions. Then if the 2 OG females can survive in good form for one more year, the burden on the 3 younger females will be much smaller as the cubs, being 2yo now, will be able to hunt too.

(05-22-2024, 12:20 AM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(05-21-2024, 10:10 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @NLAL11 Old females have turned 15 already.

The hope is that even if the PCM take over the NK pride, they don't abandon Manghenis and also don't get killed by Kambulas or other coalitions. Then if the 2 OG females can survive in good form for one more year, the burden on the 3 younger females will be much smaller as the cubs, being 2yo now, will be able to hunt too.

I don't think things will necessarily be better for the Mhangenis when the cubs are 2 year old subs. If I remember correctly the M 12 were abandoned when they were subs, not cubs. 2 year olds can hunt, if they need to, but I don't think they participate in hunts that much if they're part of a bigger pride and have a few lionesses to bring down the prey. And yet, as they get bigger, their appetites grow. So they don't necessarily add anything to the hunts, but demand more and more food.

If the older girls were to last one more year, and say died a year from now, I think that would (will) put a huge burden on the three younger lionesses, just as things were reaching a critical point. And if the PC males have gone?...

(05-22-2024, 12:34 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @NLAL11 Mangheni 12 were below 2yo IIRC, they were abandoned as nomads and got sick.

In a pride, being territorial, 2+ year old subs are unlikely to starve to death.

(05-22-2024, 01:34 AM)RookiePundit Wrote:

(05-22-2024, 12:20 AM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(05-21-2024, 10:10 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @NLAL11 Old females have turned 15 already.

The hope is that even if the PCM take over the NK pride, they don't abandon Manghenis and also don't get killed by Kambulas or other coalitions. Then if the 2 OG females can survive in good form for one more year, the burden on the 3 younger females will be much smaller as the cubs, being 2yo now, will be able to hunt too.

I don't think things will necessarily be better for the Mhangenis when the cubs are 2 year old subs. If I remember correctly the M 12 were abandoned when they were subs, not cubs. 2 year olds can hunt, if they need to, but I don't think they participate in hunts that much if they're part of a bigger pride and have a few lionesses to bring down the prey. And yet, as they get bigger, their appetites grow. So they don't necessarily add anything to the hunts, but demand more and more food.

If the older girls were to last one more year, and say died a year from now, I think that would (will) put a huge burden on the three younger lionesses, just as things were reaching a critical point. And if the PC males have gone?...

The significnant issue was also that males:females ratio of the 12 was 9:3 iirc. 9 subadult males to feed will put pressure on any pride. Not sure what's the ration of the current cubs, afaik Kambula cubs sex ratio is allegedly skewed heavily towards more males.