(10-26-2021, 06:05 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 04:47 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males at Argyle Property yesterday 
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Timbavati, Argyle, posted: 26.10.2021

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(10-27-2021, 01:11 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 04:47 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males at Argyle Property yesterday 
Photo credits: Max Schiller
Timbavati, Argyle, posted: 26.10.2021

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How old are these males? I know that they are aging and are at least 10 years old, but is known their exact age?

(10-27-2021, 01:10 AM)afortich Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 06:05 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

Black Dam males should join BYM and TYM and make a stronger coalition.

(10-27-2021, 02:44 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 01:11 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 04:47 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males at Argyle Property yesterday 
Photo credits: Max Schiller
Timbavati, Argyle, posted: 26.10.2021

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*This image is copyright of its original author

How old are these males? I know that they are aging and are at least 10 years old, but is known their exact age?

The old River pride males were born between 2005 to 2007. They're legends of the Timbavati and Klaserie, these two, are one of the most successful duo in the area by far

(08-13-2021, 12:18 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 11:59 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 09:24 PM)Gijima Wrote: Oh yeah, the Brutus family tree definitely has some large heads lol. They have the skulls of Mr T and Kinky Tail in Nhkoro on display but I guess there was nothing noteworthy about those two… but I do believe the Mlowathi Males have been average sized lions.

Yes you're right. The Mlowathi males were average sized lions, Like the other Mapogo males, except for Dreadlocks and Makhulu.

I do not think so. There you can read opinion of James Tyrell on Majingilanes and KNP males:
"Todd these are indeed very big males, definitely bigger that the Majingilane. They have been around our Southern areas once or twice more since this sighting, and their paw prints alone dwarf those of the Majingilane. As Thelma says, 4 vs 2 might be too much for them to handle if they do bump into one another, and with one of the Kruger males having a lame hip, it would be fair to assume that the Majingilane males would come out on top in an encounter"

and the opinion of Sabi Sabi guide Ben Coley on KNP male and 2 last Mapogos which even through very in good condition, they were defninitelly well past their prime:

"Thanks for all the comments everyone. I hope it was a fitting article for such an influential coalition! News from the fight yesterday morning is that one was seen briefly with quite bad injuries to his testicles amongst other areas…but we don’t know the extent of the injuries just yet. We did find tracks for one deep in south of the reserve this morning but couldn’t locate him. It seems I underestimated the Kruger males. Although the remaining Mapogo are larger, I can only posit that their desire has left them and they merely seek to live out the rest of their days in relative peace."

(10-27-2021, 02:44 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 01:11 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 04:47 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males at Argyle Property yesterday 
Photo credits: Max Schiller
Timbavati, Argyle, posted: 26.10.2021

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

How old are these males? I know that they are aging and are at least 10 years old, but is known their exact age?

The old River pride males were born between 2005 to 2007. They're legends of the Timbavati and Klaserie, these two, are one of the most successful duo in the area by far

(10-27-2021, 08:26 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote:

(08-13-2021, 12:18 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 11:59 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 09:24 PM)Gijima Wrote: Oh yeah, the Brutus family tree definitely has some large heads lol. They have the skulls of Mr T and Kinky Tail in Nhkoro on display but I guess there was nothing noteworthy about those two… but I do believe the Mlowathi Males have been average sized lions.

Yes you're right. The Mlowathi males were average sized lions, Like the other Mapogo males, except for Dreadlocks and Makhulu.

I do not think so. There you can read opinion of James Tyrell on Majingilanes and KNP males:
"Todd these are indeed very big males, definitely bigger that the Majingilane. They have been around our Southern areas once or twice more since this sighting, and their paw prints alone dwarf those of the Majingilane. As Thelma says, 4 vs 2 might be too much for them to handle if they do bump into one another, and with one of the Kruger males having a lame hip, it would be fair to assume that the Majingilane males would come out on top in an encounter"

and the opinion of Sabi Sabi guide Ben Coley on KNP male and 2 last Mapogos which even through very in good condition, they were defninitelly well past their prime:

"Thanks for all the comments everyone. I hope it was a fitting article for such an influential coalition! News from the fight yesterday morning is that one was seen briefly with quite bad injuries to his testicles amongst other areas…but we don’t know the extent of the injuries just yet. We did find tracks for one deep in south of the reserve this morning but couldn’t locate him. It seems I underestimated the Kruger males. Although the remaining Mapogo are larger, I can only posit that their desire has left them and they merely seek to live out the rest of their days in relative peace."

(10-27-2021, 02:44 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 01:11 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 04:47 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males at Argyle Property yesterday 
Photo credits: Max Schiller
Timbavati, Argyle, posted: 26.10.2021

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

How old are these males? I know that they are aging and are at least 10 years old, but is known their exact age?

The old River pride males were born between 2005 to 2007. They're legends of the Timbavati and Klaserie, these two, are one of the most successful duo in the area by far

So that makes them amongst the oldest lions in kruger? 
Looking great for 14-16

(10-27-2021, 08:26 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: So that makes them amongst the oldest lions in kruger? 
Looking great for 14-16

(10-27-2021, 02:44 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males were born between 2005 to 2007. They're legends of the Timbavati and Klaserie, these two, are one of the most successful duo in the area by far

(10-27-2021, 08:57 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 08:26 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote:

(08-13-2021, 12:18 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 11:59 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 09:24 PM)Gijima Wrote: Oh yeah, the Brutus family tree definitely has some large heads lol. They have the skulls of Mr T and Kinky Tail in Nhkoro on display but I guess there was nothing noteworthy about those two… but I do believe the Mlowathi Males have been average sized lions.

Yes you're right. The Mlowathi males were average sized lions, Like the other Mapogo males, except for Dreadlocks and Makhulu.

I do not think so. There you can read opinion of James Tyrell on Majingilanes and KNP males:
"Todd these are indeed very big males, definitely bigger that the Majingilane. They have been around our Southern areas once or twice more since this sighting, and their paw prints alone dwarf those of the Majingilane. As Thelma says, 4 vs 2 might be too much for them to handle if they do bump into one another, and with one of the Kruger males having a lame hip, it would be fair to assume that the Majingilane males would come out on top in an encounter"

and the opinion of Sabi Sabi guide Ben Coley on KNP male and 2 last Mapogos which even through very in good condition, they were defninitelly well past their prime:

"Thanks for all the comments everyone. I hope it was a fitting article for such an influential coalition! News from the fight yesterday morning is that one was seen briefly with quite bad injuries to his testicles amongst other areas…but we don’t know the extent of the injuries just yet. We did find tracks for one deep in south of the reserve this morning but couldn’t locate him. It seems I underestimated the Kruger males. Although the remaining Mapogo are larger, I can only posit that their desire has left them and they merely seek to live out the rest of their days in relative peace."

(10-27-2021, 02:44 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 01:11 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 04:47 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males at Argyle Property yesterday 
Photo credits: Max Schiller
Timbavati, Argyle, posted: 26.10.2021

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

How old are these males? I know that they are aging and are at least 10 years old, but is known their exact age?

The old River pride males were born between 2005 to 2007. They're legends of the Timbavati and Klaserie, these two, are one of the most successful duo in the area by far

So that makes them amongst the oldest lions in kruger? 
Looking great for 14-16

To be honest, I don't think in Kruger, Since there are roughly 2500 lions more or less. Which means that the majority of those lions aren't known and followed on a daily basis. Although, I'll dare to say, the oldest males in the Greater Kruger National Park (Manyeleti, Sabi Sands, Klaserie and Timbavati.

(10-28-2021, 05:20 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 08:57 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 08:26 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote:

(08-13-2021, 12:18 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 11:59 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 09:24 PM)Gijima Wrote: Oh yeah, the Brutus family tree definitely has some large heads lol. They have the skulls of Mr T and Kinky Tail in Nhkoro on display but I guess there was nothing noteworthy about those two… but I do believe the Mlowathi Males have been average sized lions.

Yes you're right. The Mlowathi males were average sized lions, Like the other Mapogo males, except for Dreadlocks and Makhulu.

I do not think so. There you can read opinion of James Tyrell on Majingilanes and KNP males:
"Todd these are indeed very big males, definitely bigger that the Majingilane. They have been around our Southern areas once or twice more since this sighting, and their paw prints alone dwarf those of the Majingilane. As Thelma says, 4 vs 2 might be too much for them to handle if they do bump into one another, and with one of the Kruger males having a lame hip, it would be fair to assume that the Majingilane males would come out on top in an encounter"

and the opinion of Sabi Sabi guide Ben Coley on KNP male and 2 last Mapogos which even through very in good condition, they were defninitelly well past their prime:

"Thanks for all the comments everyone. I hope it was a fitting article for such an influential coalition! News from the fight yesterday morning is that one was seen briefly with quite bad injuries to his testicles amongst other areas…but we don’t know the extent of the injuries just yet. We did find tracks for one deep in south of the reserve this morning but couldn’t locate him. It seems I underestimated the Kruger males. Although the remaining Mapogo are larger, I can only posit that their desire has left them and they merely seek to live out the rest of their days in relative peace."

(10-27-2021, 02:44 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 01:11 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 04:47 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males at Argyle Property yesterday 
Photo credits: Max Schiller
Timbavati, Argyle, posted: 26.10.2021

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

How old are these males? I know that they are aging and are at least 10 years old, but is known their exact age?

The old River pride males were born between 2005 to 2007. They're legends of the Timbavati and Klaserie, these two, are one of the most successful duo in the area by far

So that makes them amongst the oldest lions in kruger? 
Looking great for 14-16

To be honest, I don't think in Kruger, Since there are roughly 2500 lions more or less. Which means that the majority of those lions aren't known and followed on a daily basis. Although, I'll dare to say, the oldest males in the Greater Kruger National Park (Manyeleti, Sabi Sands, Klaserie and Timbavati.

 Hairy Belly was considered as the oldest lion in Kruger by some people, when he died he was 16 years old

(10-28-2021, 01:28 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(10-27-2021, 08:26 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: So that makes them amongst the oldest lions in kruger? 
Looking great for 14-16

(10-27-2021, 02:44 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The old River pride males were born between 2005 to 2007. They're legends of the Timbavati and Klaserie, these two, are one of the most successful duo in the area by far

I dont think they are that old (unless theres some evidence of that), they sired Nharhu males in 2014, which means they prob took River pride in Klaserie around that time, maybe in 2013, and if we assume they where around 5 yrs old then, that would meant they where born around 2008, which is still impressive, as would meant they are atleast around 13 yrs old atm, age which very few male lions reach.

Is there any older photos of them, from younger age?

(10-28-2021, 07:16 PM)Timbavati Wrote: I found it! Here the lion research made by  Umbabat. It was really excited talk and being part of the Umbabat lion research last year via socialmedia.. I was very fortunate by give them a hand to Umbabat a hand with information the old River pride males  and Skorro males a few years ago.
Here I mentioned that the old River pride males were born in 2007/2008. Which means, I perhaps got the Klaserie ranger word wrong when he told me 2005.  My mistaken. 
http://umbabat.com/projects/biodiversity...-research/