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RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 11-29-2022 Interesting news here to the Paleocommunity of Wildfact @GuateGojira @JurassicDD @GrizzlyClaws Giganotosaurus Carolinii by Dan Folkes got an upsize! The Holotype specimen, with the 0.97 density, will be 8.8 tons (9 tons with 0.99 density) while the Paratype will be respectively 9.4 to 9.6 tons, making Giganotosaurus Carolinii at the moment the only theropod rivaling Tyrannosaurus Rex in size, although Scotty is still about one ton heavier *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author I self-made a reconstruction for this amazing creature, enjoy! *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Size comparisons - JurassicDD - 12-02-2022 (11-29-2022, 12:05 AM)caninecat Wrote:It's fine to disagree, but using GDI analysis you can achieve 10 tons for the largest specimens, and these results come from someone who is much much much more reliable than you or me. I have no reason to doubt the results. Please conduct your own analysis that can disprove what Dan has achieved. The software to create your own model is available on the internet, and so are all the studies that people such as Dan uses to create his own work. Using this work is not official to me is just a convenient cop out, honestly. It's something people use when they don't know or can not accurately state what is actually wrong regarding someone's analysis. Dan’s work has been published in peer-reviewed studies before multiple times, and he has worked alongside certified experts before. While his other work such as his Scotty diagram is _not_ “official” in as much as it comes from an independent entity (i.e. Dan himself) it’s as detailed and rigorous as any “official” figure is out there. You can disagree, but I'm fine with Dan's results and I will use them until it's proven his analysis is inaccurate or our understanding changes regarding Tyrannosaurus.(12-27-2021, 12:21 AM)JurassicDD Wrote: I barely post on here anymore because of discord and i do not want to cause anymore issues here or derail the thread further, but i will add this. There is quite a clear reason to why not just me but a few others have brought up the issues regarding user DinoFan83 (or Chocolatecake 123 as he sometimes goes by) because there is clearly an issue that is sadly being ignored/enabled by the mods here. Im not saying he mods here are doing a bad job not at all. A lot of people here are not quite as paleo crazy or as interested in the subject as me or some others here, so you might not see what he's doing. But anyone who does have an interest in it and does not have a huge bias can see what he's doing and what he has been doing for a while. RE: Size comparisons - JurassicDD - 12-02-2022 (11-29-2022, 07:05 PM)AndresVida Wrote: Interesting news here to the Paleocommunity of Wildfact @GuateGojira @JurassicDD @GrizzlyClaws This is really beautiful, I love the colours. Great to see Giga get an increase in size. We will have to see how well it holds up and see what result Fran finally gets when he does update his diagram. Who knows, maybe Hartman will update his. RE: Size comparisons - Luipaard - 12-08-2022 Eland bull and giraffe *This image is copyright of its original author hamman_prinsloo_wildlife_photo RE: Size comparisons - Luipaard - 12-17-2022 Giant forest hog and leopard in Aberdare National Park, Kenya. It requires a big male leopard to not be dwarfed by a giant forest hog as giant forest hogs are massive animals. *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 01-02-2023 Wanted to represent the largest current predators of persia *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Size comparisons - LonePredator - 01-02-2023 (01-02-2023, 01:45 AM)AndresVida Wrote: Wanted to represent the largest current predators of persia Where is the height estimate from? RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 01-02-2023 (01-02-2023, 06:22 AM)LonePredator Wrote: Where is the height estimate from?@Maritimus77 who is very informed on brown bears told me that the 110-115 cm range would be a reasonable SH for a freaklish outlier like the one shot in Turkey, the sad part is that data on these bears is nearly non existent RE: Size comparisons - LonePredator - 01-08-2023 (01-02-2023, 04:14 PM)AndresVida Wrote:(01-02-2023, 06:22 AM)LonePredator Wrote: Where is the height estimate from?@Maritimus77 who is very informed on brown bears told me that the 110-115 cm range would be a reasonable SH for a freaklish outlier like the one shot in Turkey, the sad part is that data on these bears is nearly non existent Fair point but something you should also consider is that Bears vary a lot in body composition as well. Some Bears can get extremely fat given the right conditions and reach extreme weights. Like Bears from Katmai etc can weigh even more than Kodiak Bears at their peak weight possibly due to the supply of salmons allowing them to reach extreme weights. *This image is copyright of its original author The main reason Bears vary so much in weight would mainly be due to varying body composition because large terrestrial predatory mammals don't have such extreme variations in their frame size that would cause an outlier to weigh over 3 times times more than an average specimen. In the case of the Syrian Brown Bear, it could very well be possible that the Bear had a normal frame but had a very different body composition than usual. Even in case of Tigers (who have much more uniform/isometric body composition than Bears), it's still very difficult to determine shoulder height just from the weight. RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 01-14-2023 The Largest Reported Nile Crocodile Hans Besser, a respected German naturalist claimed to have shot a massive Nile crocodile on the banks of the Mbaka River, near the mouth of Lake Malawi (sometimes called Lake Nyasa), Tanzania in 1903. This crocodile allegedly measured 760 cm but was missing around a quarter of its tail, it was so large that initially Besser believed it to be an abandoned canoe. At first this just seems like another ‘big fish’ story, an exaggerated monster far too large to have existed in the realm of reality, similar to the allegedly 863.6 cm (28 ft 4 in) crocodile shot by Krystina Pawlowski in 1957 (Wood, 1982). However, Besser went on to provide other measurements he made from the giant crocodile that seemed to affirm its enormous size. The skull alone was 140 cm, this was likely measured from the premaxilla to the posterior margin of the articular, the maximum width of the skull was an astonishing 96 cm (wider than Sue's the Tyrannosaurus skull!!). The crocodile also had a maximum height above the riverbank of 93 cm and a belly circumference of 426 cm. It is certainly tempting to take Besser at his word since these additional measurements do lend credence to his claim. In his book Charles Guggisberg described Besser as “an excellent field naturalist whose reliability cannot be questioned.” Yet despite this it is still entirely possible that Besser exaggerated the size of this crocodile and in order to avoid suspicion also fabricated additional measurements. Besser could have measured a smaller crocodile and then scaled up those measurements to the size of his 760 cm giant. While this scenario is possible, I find it unlikely that a well-respected naturalist would risk his reputation by engaging in such unscrupulous conduct, and for seemingly no or at least very little reward or recognition. As such, this record should not be outright dismissed but it also cannot be accepted, as there remains the possibility that Besser either intentionally or unintentionally exaggerated his measurements. *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Size comparisons - Luipaard - 01-15-2023 Caracal and male leopard in Nigeria *This image is copyright of its original author Yankari Game Reserve RE: Size comparisons - Luipaard - 01-25-2023 Lioness and female (?) leopard in Khutse Game Reserve, Botswana *This image is copyright of its original author SnapshotSafari RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 02-06-2023 *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Size comparisons - LonePredator - 02-06-2023 (02-06-2023, 12:01 PM)AndresVida Wrote: What are the sources for this? RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 02-07-2023 (02-06-2023, 12:07 PM)LonePredator Wrote: What are the sources for this?The largest brown bear ever recorded in weight came from Slovakia and weighed 481 kg while an even larger specimen came from the Carpathians and the measurements you see there are his, unfortunately he was not weighed and @Maritimus77 gave me these measurements. the Marsican bear has extremely lacking data but from what is quoted in most sites, studies and descriptions, the maximum weight seems to be in the range of 200-230 kg. The height at the shoulder is an estimate always made by @"Maritimus77 based on the maximum length quoted for this species at 2 meters. For the wolf instead we speak specifically of a specimen killed in Piedmont near Entracque city which only the weight of 44 kg was recorded, the measurements are given by a survey of various samples found throughout Italy from 1974 to 1990 which shows a body length that has a range of 109–148 cm and a height at the withers of 49–73 cm |