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  *This image is copyright of its original author Newly independent young male tiger kazi 87. He is the first litter of kzt085
Visited Kaziranga many times but never had a sight of the majestic and beautiful Royal Bengal Tiger. But today is an exceptional day for me and all of us. We were returning to Agaratoli range office and it was almost dark, low visibility. Suddenly saw a movement of something. To our surprise and delight, it was the RBT
 *This image is copyright of its original author We were excited and tried to click a photo of the spectacular species. But unfortunately could click a single picture only. Yet that was sufficient for me as that was my first sight and click of the RBT. Would like to thank =AZXL7tv6np6kUTZVXkTNaimMw3WGBaZL54S_dHrGUQv73rL02wH8ptWwwyNHhrggiMTCJaX-3ATrBYxypjzv_-m6SN8V5e1idO2OZERdusHihQ&__tn__=-]K*F]Prince Jiten Bora for the trip and particularly for the sighting of RBT. It was a great safari with Rubi baideu, Hirimpa and Liky *This image is copyright of its original author
 *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Corpses of two animals killed by kzt085 in November 2017： A 20-year-old adult female rhinoceros and a 2-year-old male golden tiger。There may be a population of golden tigers in Kaziranga。The young golden tiger may come from the eastern region, and is also the descendant of golden tiger queen kazi 21  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author The newly independent young tiger may have strayed into the territory of kzt085 while wandering, and was killed by kzt085 for stealing rhinoceros meat One month later, December 2017. Kzt085 appears in this forest。  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author He was in poor condition and killed a deer  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author At the end of December 2017, kzt085 was invaded by other male tigers and seriously injured。It's getting worse。
At the beginning of 2018, kzt085 was blind in one eye, which was the result of fighting the invaders
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 *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author In January 2018, the image of the intruder was taken. It can be seen from the contrast of the patterns on the tiger that it is kazi 59。By this time, he had entered the hinterland of Bagori。  *This image is copyright of its original author Kzt085 is facing a young and strong opponent, He's very hard。  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author These cubs are likely to be killed by the invaders  *This image is copyright of its original author In February 2018, kzt085 was angry with tourists  (11-25-2022, 03:14 AM)远东北亚巨虎 Wrote: 1- WELCOME I know you joined our forum quite some time ago (2019), but a, ehhh, very late welcome still isn't out of place. Hope you will enjoy your time over here. 2 - NAME This is the first time I decided to respond to a post you wrote. The problem is I can't write your name and my guess is I'm not the only one. The reason is I'm not able in Chinese. In order to improve the situation in the communication department, the advice is to add a second name. A name all of us understand. You can, to be clear, continue to use this name when you post, but another is needed for the reason stated (communication between members). 3 - PROPOSAL FOR A SECOND NAME Your posts suggest you're interested in tigers in northeastern India. My proposal, regarding a second name, is to use one related to tigers in northeastern India. Could be the name of a reserve, a river, a region, a biologist or a hunter. As to the last category (hunters). There are many who hunted tigers in northeastern India in the days of the British Raj, but only few wrote about their experiences. One of them was Col. F.T. Pollok (1832-1909). He was stationed in Burma (for a period of 13 years) and Assam (for 7 years). I found this photograph in one of his books. The longest tiger he shot in Assam, by the way, was 10.2 (309,88 cm) measured 'between pegs':  *This image is copyright of its original author Another hunter who wrote a book is F. Nicholls. The book I'm referring to ('Assam Shikari', Auckland, 1970) was discussed in the tiger extinction thread some years ago. Nicholls was a planter, but also hunted tigers. He lived in Assam for 52 years, so he knows a few things about this part of India. In his book, he more than once underlined Assam tigers are large n(referring to mass in particular). The longest he shot was 9.8 (294,64 cm). Here's the cover:  *This image is copyright of its original author 4 - QUESTIONS I selected 2 photographs of your post. The reason is I have a few questions about the comments you added regarding this incident. Before turning to the questions, I decided to post the photograph I have. Watch the tiger:  *This image is copyright of its original author 4a - The incident The photograph is quite something. It shows an adult female rhino and a 2-3 year old male tiger with a remarkable coat lying close together. After seeing the photograph, I read the statement of the Kaziranga Park. I also saw the video you uploaded (on YouTube) in 2019. The rangers offered 2 explanations. They initially thought the tiger and the rhino perished in a fight. Later, they said both could have been killed by the resident male tiger. You (referring to the video and your post) seem to be sure the second explanation is the correct one. The question is why you got to that conclusion. 4b - Cause of death As a result of the remarkable incident, it seems likely questions were asked. Did a vet see the rhino and the tiger? If so, was his report published? 4c - Identification There's no doubt about the identity of the young male tiger and the female rhino. The question is if the young male tiger was killed by the rhino, the resident male tiger or another male. Why do you think the resident male was involved? If so, why are you sure he wasn't injured by the rhino, the young male or both? Why do you think he was injured by an 'invader'? 5 - A FEW IDEAS I've read a number of letters (in the JBNHS) and reports about tigers killed in fights. Although some are strangulated, most, and young animals in particular, perish as a result of a fractured skull. It's the most effective way to quickly decide a fight. In order to get to a position to deliver a crippling bite, a serious advantage is needed. Adult male tigers often are larger than young adult males, but the youngster killed in this fight was quite robust. The youngster, most probably (tigers seriously injured in a fight usually try to move to a secluded spot), was killed on the spot. This suggests the resident male had a massive advantage. Could have been size, but maybe he surprised and immobilized him with a bite to the lower back first. The injuries on his back, however, suggest they were not caused by a tiger. Maybe the rhino was involved after all. If so, why did she collapse so close to the tiger and why is it both perished in such close proximity? Did she kill the tiger, was he killed by the resident male tiger or was another male tiger involved? I don't think it was the rhino. I mean, she died instantly. Could she have killed the young male with a fatal injury? Let's assume the rhino was killed by the youngster and the youngster was wounded in the fight. Maybe the resident male heard the sounds of the fight and saw the young male in a bad shape when he arrived unseen. Maybe he was able to ambush, immobilize and quickly kill him. The question is why he didn't eat the rhino or cannibalize the tiger. What I know is tigers involved in a deadly fight seldom eat their opponent. This suggests the resident male could have been injured. Not long after the fight, the resident male was seen in a bad state. Maybe he was injured in a fight with an 'invader', but if the invader was there not long after the fight between the rhino and the tiger, he might just as well have been there before he went for the resident male. Maybe it was this tiger that heard the commotion and killed both the rhino and the young male. Or one of them. Maybe he injured the resident male when he arrived at the scene, maybe the fight between them drew the attention of rangers and maybe this is the reason the rhino wasn't eaten. The rangers think the resident male fought and killed the rhino first and the young male tiger for trespassing later. If so, it must have cost him quite a bit of energy. And if he did, the question is why the young male was injured by the rhino, as the photograph suggests. What I'm saying is things are unclear. This is why the report of the vet, if there was an autopsy, has to be discussed. We need to know if the young male was injured by the rhino. If so, where he was injured and what was the nature of his injuries? In what way was the young male tiger killed? Did he sustain the injuries on his back before he was killed or after? Did they impair him in a fight? 6 - TO CONCLUDE I've read quite a few of your posts and also saw a number of videos you posted on YouTube. What I want to tell you is there is a difference between posting a video on YouTube and posting on a public forum. The difference is videos offer more room. YouTube has a few rules, but you can decide about the content and the way you want to do it. When you join a public forum, rules come into play. Wildfact has one rule only and that is respect. Respect for the natural world and those making their home in that dimension. Respect also relates to good (reliable) information and interaction with members. We have, to be quite sure, no complaints whatsoever in these departments, but we would appreciate a second name for the reasons mentioned. We also want our members to distinguish between facts and opinions. If you refer to facts in your posts, reliable sources need to be added. They will enable others to check the information you post. If you have ideas or opinions about a specific topic, we would like to know a bit more about your arguments and the way of reasoning. If you tell us why and how you got there, it will enable those interested to interact in a meaningful way. I want to underline your contributions are appreciated. You seem to have access to good info and the stories you post are interesting as well. In a way, they remind me of the sagas in the lion section. I also don't doubt the reliability of the info you post. For this reason, your reputation will be upgraded. One question to close the post. You most probably noticed tigers living in the northeastern part of India have different skulls (referring to profile and relative size). Any ideas about the possible reason(s)? (11-25-2022, 11:29 AM)peter Wrote:(11-25-2022, 03:14 AM)远东北亚巨虎 Wrote: What's the second name? I just started to use this forum, but I don't know how to set。 As for the two corpses, a sub adult tiger had no motive to attack an adult rhinoceros. There is no possibility of being killed by rhinoceros。The death of rhinoceros is more unlikely to be caused by this sub adult tiger, because the 2-year-old tiger is basically unable to kill such a large animal。But according to the autopsy, the rhinoceros was indeed killed by tigers, so the official second explanation is more reliable. It was most likely killed by the resident male tiger.This tiger named kzt085 has lived in the forest of Bagori for a long time in the past two years。The rhinoceros is too big, The tiger cannot eat it all,But there's a piece missing from his neck。It means he ate some  *This image is copyright of its original author The environment in India is relatively hot, and the body will decay quickly。
 *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author These photos were taken in December 2017. The tiger's wound is still fresh, which indicates that the battle is not long. Moreover, 2-year-old young tigers pose no threat to adult male landlords. There is a big gap between them. A landlord tiger can kill it instantly。Therefore, there is no doubt that its wounds were caused by invading male tigers. In January 2018, shortly after taking these photos, the invaders were photographed.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author In 2018, they will be sawing for several months
*This image is copyright of its original author I am also curious about the wound of this young golden tiger. Usually an adult female Indian rhinoceros has blunt horns, which is unlikely to cause such a wound. Those who can cause such wounds are more like elephants  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author In bandipur, the male tiger Mookha was also killed by the elephant, and the ivory pierced his body。Their wounds are similar。 But the young golden tiger may have been eaten by other small scavengers，This situation is not ruled out (11-26-2022, 01:58 PM)远东北亚巨虎 Wrote: 1 - ABOUT THE INTENTION OF MY PREVIOUS POST Although it may seem different, my first post (627) wasn't about the incident discussed. It also wasn't about the difference between between a platform like YouTube and a public forum. Finally, it wasn't about the questions asked. The aim was to see in what way you would respond. Before writing my post, I read a number of your contributions. I noticed you got a few hundred 'likes' in the period 2019-2022. In that period, you never 'liked' a post of another member. Not one. I can only get to remarkable. It suggests the one involved isn't interested in others. 2 - ABOUT WILDFACT Wildfact is a public forum about those making their home in the natural world. Only a century ago, quite many regions still had great forests and a lot of wildlife. Today, most forests are gone. Most species, if they're not already gone, severely struggle. The main reason, apart from the growing number of people, is conservation has no priority. For most people, the natural world is an unknown entity. The result is they don't care about it. In order to change the situation, awareness is needed. Large organisations and ngo's do what they can, but in the end it is about politics. Public forums also serve a purpose in the department of awareness. The main instrument of Wildfact is good information. In order to get there, we encourage our members to contribute in that department in particular. Opinions, however, are not dismissed out of hand. The main reason is living organisms adapt all the time. For this reason, research will always follow after the event. Apart from good information, respect is important. Respect for rules, members and mods. The reason is we want our members to interact in a respectful way. Last but not least is we want them to communicate in English. The reason is this language is used all over the planet. Is this policy appreciated? The answer is yes. In the period 2014-2022, Wildfact got over 57 million views. 3 - ABOUT YOUR STAND Do you appreciate the policy of Wildfact (referring to the language used to interact, the focus on good information and knowledge of the rules of interaction)? The answer seems to be not quite. You post in English, but do not use an English name and when one of the co-owners informs you about the problem it creates, you tell him you didn't know. Meaning you apparently never visited the rules section and also meaning you don't really care about the advice offered. Your posts say you only care about expressing your opinion on a topic you like. The information you post is interesting, but you do not distinguish between reliable information and something else. I don't mind you posting your take on things, but I do mind you presenting your opinion as an established fact. I'm not the only one (referring to our mods) who concluded you indulge in self esteem. I'm also not the only one who concluded your two responses to my post compare to a lecture. A lecture in how to get to the 'correct' interpretation of an incident and how to get away with ignoring the advice of one of the co-owners. Your knowledge in the department of rules and interaction was already discussed. The conclusion is you're not interested. You're also not interested in information posted by other members, as you, in a period of 3 years, never 'liked' or responded to a post. You're interested in posting you're take on things. And what did I notice when I watched the videos you uploaded? 4 - ADVICE - I a - Use an English name from now on b - Distinguish between facts and opinions c - Read the rules section and act accordingly when you interact d - Buy a mirror and stay away from attitudes 5 - ADVICE - II The author of the thread 'B2 and other etc', Roflcopters, appreciates the information you post. He thinks you're well-informed in the department of tigers in northeastern India. I agree and I'm not the only one. That's why your reputation was raised. Raising a reputation of a member, however, can be risky: at times, it results in an attitude. We've had a few members quite heavily involved in self-esteem and outright arrogance. Most of them were well-informed and able to produce classy posts. Their contributions resulted in a lot of positive responses. It goes without saying they themselves couldn't agree more with the praise they got. It didn't take them long to act accordingly. It started with ignoring the rules of interaction. The next step was lecturing and downgrading others. This preceded torpedoing discussions. It was during these discussions they showed their cards (referring to preference). Last but not least, they couldn't resist the urge to offer a bit of 'advice' to those running the forum. Unable to deal with even a wee bit of criticism, most got to the correct conclusion when the climate became heated, but some left the hard way, meaning they were banned. Now you can't say you didn't know. 6 - TO CONCLUDE We hope you will take the advice to heart and continue to contribute. Need an example on how to do it right? Our member 'Roflcopters' started the thread 'B2 and other etc'. That thread is one of the best and it has, on top of that, most views. Like you, Copters is interested in tigers. He prefers good information, but when living creatures are discussed, opinions can't be avoided. They are, in fact, essential at times. He knows. The difference with many others is he says so. In spite of the praise he got, Copters never even got close to an attitude. It could be you think the advice offered in this post is a result of something hidden, like nationality. Not so. Over here, we think people all over the world are very much the same. For this reason, all are treated as equals. We stay away from politics, nationality, religion, race and all the rest of it. Members ignoring this essential rule will be banned. No exceptions. (11-28-2022, 11:38 AM)peter Wrote:(11-26-2022, 01:58 PM)远东北亚巨虎 Wrote: Okay, I've set a custom English name。Although I registered the forum account in 2019，But I only activated my account recently。Thank you for your proposal.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author The male tiger who died in the territorial battle in 2020 is Kazi 38, the former landlord of Kohora. The killer is probably kazi 45。  *This image is copyright of its original author
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