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Tigers killing and eating elephants in Corbett National Park: Govt study reveals worrying phenomenon (Please overlook the Yellow Journalistic headline... it's India)

Press Trust of India  |  New Delhi Last Updated at June 16, 2019 14:50 IST

Tigers have been found to be killing elephants, mainly young ones, in the famed Corbett National Park in Uttarakhand and in a few cases eating them too, according to an official study.
The findings, which is a part of the study conducted by the park authority, signals a worrying trend in wildlife as tigers usually don't eat elephants, wildlife experts say.

A total of nine tigers, 21 elephants and six leopards were found dead from 2014 to May 31, 2019, due to infighting and clashes over issues related of mating, according to the study.
"Out of the total 36 cases for the three species, 21 were reported in case of wild elephants alone. However, a very surprising aspect was that around 60 per cent of wild elephant death cases (13) were due to attack by tigers mostly on young ones," it said.
Senior IFS officer and in-charge of the national park, Sanjiv Chaturvedi said the phenomenon of tigers eating elephants is rare.
"One of its reasons could be that tigers need comparatively less amount of efforts and energy in killing an elephant as against that needed in hunt of species like Sambhar and Cheetal. Killing an elephant results in large quantum of food for them too," said Chaturvedi, director of the park.

He said the national park has a unique ecosystem as there are 225 tigers and around 1,100 wild elephants, whereas other national parks like Ranthambore, Kanha and Bandhavgarh mainly have tigers.
Even in cases where elephants were killed in infighting, tigers were found eating their body parts, the study said.
This peculiar aspect of tiger-elephant conflict needs to be studied in further details, it added.
"Regarding remaining cases of death of wild elephants, it was mostly because of fight due to issue of mating," the study said.

In case of tigers, total number of deaths during the five years period was nine and out of these, 80 per cent (seven) cases were due to infighting, the study said.
From the analysis of case reports and sample sites, these were found to be primarily due to territorial fights or mating issues, it said.
Tigers have very strong territorial instincts and this emerged as one of dominant causes of infighting deaths.
In this regard, detailed study about extent of average territorial area, moving pattern and adequacy of present tiger reserve are to be studied in further details, the study suggested.

The remaining 20 per cent death cases were found to be because of fight with wild boars and porcupines, it said.
In case of leopards, there were six deaths because of infighting. Of these, two third cases were due to attack by other carnivore species.
"Out of four cases, in two cases, there were definitive evidences of killing by tigers but in rest of two cases, exact identity of attacking species is yet to be established. This aspect of tiger-leopard conflict is to be further studied in details. In remaining one third cases, it was because of mutual infighting among themselves," the study said.

The study was conducted in wake of death of a tigress on May 27, 2019, because of infighting.
"The recent case of tigress appears prima facie due to forced mating attempts by a dominant male tiger, resulting in fatal spinal injuries," it said.
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Not surprised to hear, those corbett males are monsters. Just wondering are there any specifics on the ages of the young elephants? Also is "mostly on young ones" quantified in any way? Or is the info in the article all we know of now?

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(06-18-2019, 03:30 AM)Sully Wrote: Not surprised to hear, those corbett males are monsters. Just wondering are there any specifics on the ages of the young elephants? Also is "mostly on young ones" quantified in any way? Or is the info in the article all we know of now?

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(06-18-2019, 05:27 AM)Rishi Wrote:
(06-18-2019, 03:30 AM)Sully Wrote: Not surprised to hear, those corbett males are monsters. Just wondering are there any specifics on the ages of the young elephants? Also is "mostly on young ones" quantified in any way? Or is the info in the article all we know of now?

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No man, nothing else... Only the same story being posted by several newspapers.
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I don't deny that tigers can kill elephant calves or adults, but killing the latter is definitely much harder than killing deer or gaur. Even if the tiger can intimidate an adult elephant with an initial charge, in none of these videos did tigers manage to inflict even significant harm on the elephants: 

















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yea i just can't fathom how any known large land carnivore can kill an adult elephant of any subspecies,young ones obviously,but adults? not likely
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(06-18-2019, 02:07 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: yea i just can't fathom how any known large land carnivore can kill an adult elephant of any subspecies,young ones obviously,but adults? not likely

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(06-18-2019, 05:27 AM)Rishi Wrote:
(06-18-2019, 03:30 AM)Sully Wrote: Not surprised to hear, those corbett males are monsters. Just wondering are there any specifics on the ages of the young elephants? Also is "mostly on young ones" quantified in any way? Or is the info in the article all we know of now?

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I don't deny that tigers can kill elephant calves or adults, but killing the latter is definitely much harder than killing deer or gaur. Even if the tiger can intimidate an adult elephant with an initial charge, in none of these videos did tigers manage to inflict even significant harm on the elephants: 


















3 of those 5 are sub-adults. Plus Forest Dept. employed elephants, even young ones, are trained to face a charging animal & hold their ground. This unnatural reaction causes tigers or rhinos to panic & abort. 

Anyway they clearly mention tigers feeding on younger calves & adults dead from infighting. 
A stray calf, old or injured or sick adult would make a good catch for a male or female with large cubs, not prime specimens... tigers lack the "manpower" for that, unlike lions.

When both tiger & elephant number increase in forests like Kaziranga & Corbett, it's only a matter of time before some tigers figure out that calves below 5 years age are easier to kill compared to boars or bears.
I'm guessing a few individuals learn to bypass a confused herd by ambushing them in dense vegetation. Maybe like in case of gaurs or rhinos, some specialists start smaller & work their way to larger ones.
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(06-18-2019, 02:07 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: yea i just can't fathom how any known large land carnivore can kill an adult elephant of any subspecies,young ones obviously,but adults? not likely

I don't think any big cats or bears can kill an adult elephant. An adult female, maybe the big cats or bears can kill an adult female if they are in groups. But an adult bull? I doubt it.
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even killing a female is a tall order
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About #1670 : In the video you showed, we can see that well-tusked elephants manage much better an encounter with a tiger. Logical would you say but yes  a good couple of tusks makes the life much more comfortable... Perhaps inside the tiger's mind a no-tusked elephant isn't a "fully realized individual" regardless of its size.
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Regarding the tiger predation on elephant calves, there is too much outrage already! I mean, they found 13 elephant calves were killed in a population of 1100+ by a population of 225+ tigers in 5 years! That is not a lot. If you compare that to the number of rhino calves that Kaziranga tigers take, even though there is abundant big prey available, it pales in comparison. They are opportunistic hunters in all their habitats, I mean in Sunderbans their diet consists of crabs and turtles!

Also, a couple years ago, 6 elephants of varying sizes (even an adult) were killed in Wayanad. Just today, a mother and 3 sub-adult cubs were seen scavenging on a dead elephant which was injured in a territorial fight with another elephant.

The MO to killing an elephant seems to be to go for the trunk. An elephant won’t survive in the wild without it’s trunk and apparently, that’s how tiger get them.
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(06-19-2019, 05:52 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: Just today, a mother and 3 sub-adult cubs were seen scavenging on a dead elephant which was injured in a territorial fight with another elephant.

Interesting.. where? Please share a source.

Quote:The MO to killing an elephant seems to be to go for the trunk. An elephant won’t survive in the wild without it’s trunk and apparently, that’s how tiger get them.

What makes you say it's apparent?
This sounds highly unlikely to me... Not only tigers rarely go for such frontal attacks on larger animals, it would definitely result in a swift death of the tiger, while elephant can breathe fine through its mouth. Even several lions don't try that. (Don't bring in tiger pouncing on elephant carrying hunters, that's a desperate life or death situation for him.)
Unless the trunk is torn off it won't starve either.

Unlike cumbersome rhinos & gaurs, elephants' long, flexible legs can deliver deadly kicks on all sides.

Also the size difference is just too high! Even with a 3000kg young female against a 300kg male tiger, it's still like your house-cat trying to kill you. You won't need tusks, one stomp or knee would be enough if it lands.
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Quote:Interesting.. where? Please share a source.

Camera trapped on Wayanad. Mother and 3 sub-adult cubs scavenging on a dead elephant.

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/kozhikode/now-tigers-turn-scavengers-in-wws/articleshow/69848819.cms
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I wasn’t referring to the tigers attacking the trunks of large elephants, but the ones from Corbett, where juveniles were targetted. The one slightly bigger one from Wayanad was actually killed by a thousand slashed method where the tiger had clawed it’s back multiple times, and over some time it bled out. And, a trunk of an elephant is used for eating, not just for breathing. It’s a only a matter of time before a elephant starves to death if it’s trunk is hurt ad was shown one of those old documentaries from africa where a baby elephant was attacked by a crocodile while crossing a river.
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