Tiger Predation

[Apex Titan]

(11-07-2024, 02:01 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Apex Titan :

OK, if you told that tigers are able to prey on saltwater crocs regularly, I admit it... Before knowing you, I considered that a tiger couldn't every time win against a bear weighing two times more heavy. I considered a big male bear as being a rival for the felid, not a prey. But the Serguei Aramilev's account and video changed my opinion.

And even if a part of me stays reluctant to an absolute super predator's existence.

And sorry @"WildWarlord" for having been too "ironic".

You said "and video"... Which video are you referring to, Aramilev's video or the recent video of the male tiger 'Odyr' who hunted and killed a large male brown bear? Reply

[WildWarlord]

        BREAKING NEWS: 


TIGER KILLS SUBADULT ASIAN ELEPHANT: 
Post mortem examination confirms that Elephant was killed by the tiger. This incident occured on November 7th, 2024 in Malappuram.


https://www.manoramaonline.com/district-...kkara.html

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[Spalea]

@Apex Titan :


You asked: " You said "and video"... Which video are you referring to, Aramilev's video or the recent video of the male tiger 'Odyr' who hunted and killed a large male brown bear? "


It seems it was this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE6-l3UL0TI

But, since the time, I don't know for sure. I believe me reminding that it was asked to Aramilev this question "Where is the clear winner between an adult male brown bear and a tiger", the answers was something like this "From the moment where you can find some remains of bear's bone in the tiger's feces, the answer is clear: the tiger". Reply

[Apex Titan]

(Yesterday, 04:00 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Apex Titan :


You asked: " You said "and video"... Which video are you referring to, Aramilev's video or the recent video of the male tiger 'Odyr' who hunted and killed a large male brown bear? "


It seems it was this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE6-l3UL0TI

But, since the time, I don't know for sure. I believe me reminding that it was asked to Aramilev this question "Where is the clear winner between an adult male brown bear and a tiger", the answers was something like this "From the moment where you can find some remains of bear's bone in the tiger's feces, the answer is clear: the tiger".

Here's the original video of Sergei Aramilev's interview.

At 9:03, Aramilev says (referring to tigers vs large male brown bears): "Therefore, an adult male tiger will always kill any bear. But a female or young tiger can lose to a large male (brown) bear."

As for the bear remains in tiger feces, that was mentioned in the interview with Pavel Fomenko, who's a field biologist, scientist, ranger and leading expert.

At 8:25 in the video, the reporter asks Pavel Fomenko, who is stronger, a tiger or a bear? 

Fomenko states: "Judging by the fact that I quite often find bear claws in tiger excrement, here is your answer to who is stronger."

Here's the video of the male tiger "Odyr" who hunted, fought, and killed a large, impressive sized male brown bear with a palm callus width of 18 cm:

When Yuri Kya sees the killed adult male brown bear carcass, he says: "Impressive bear":

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[Apex Titan]

(11-07-2024, 10:18 PM)WildWarlord Wrote:         BREAKING NEWS: 


TIGER KILLS SUBADULT ASIAN ELEPHANT: 
Post mortem examination confirms that Elephant was killed by the tiger. This incident occured on November 7th, 2024 in Malappuram.


https://www.manoramaonline.com/district-...kkara.html

@Apex Titan

Fascinating account. Great find. More and more impressive tiger killing feats keep coming out. Back in 2022, an adult rhino was also killed by a tiger in Chitwan.

This was a young adult elephant killed by the tiger, not a sub-adult. The elephant was estimated to be around 20 years old, that's a young adult which is independent:

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https://www.manoramaonline.com/district-...kkara.html

Aging Elephants

Sub-adult elephants = 5 - 15 years old, and young adult elephant = 15 - 25 years old:

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https://umbabat.com/wp-content/uploads/2...iteria.pdf


Although a very impressive killing feat, I feel very sorry for the elephant. Poor thing was badly mauled and killed. Sad to see:

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[Spalea]

@Apex Titan :

Yes, it was this short video. As for the sentence bear's claws in the tiger's excrement, I was wrong, confusing Serguei Aramiley with Pavel Fomenko. Sorry !

After having checked it, the yours is longer and more complete that mine:

But I would like to ask you a question: if the Amour tiger can be considered as being the only one apex predator targeting even the big male brown bear as preys, these latters should be much more numerous in the same biotop, shouldn't it ? Is there indeed the case ? Reply