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Tiger Predation
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   (01-30-2024, 06:50 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:You’re splitting hairs, no matter how you slice it, it’s 4-500kg’s of Tiger attacking this Gaur, if they actually made the kill.(01-30-2024, 06:24 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-30-2024, 06:20 PM)Apex Titan Wrote: A bull gaur killed by a tigress:Her and her 3 18 month old sub adults. (01-30-2024, 07:37 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-30-2024, 06:50 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:You’re splitting hairs, no matter how you slice it, it’s 4-500kg’s of Tiger attacking this Gaur, if they actually made the kill.(01-30-2024, 06:24 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-30-2024, 06:20 PM)Apex Titan Wrote: A bull gaur killed by a tigress:Her and her 3 18 month old sub adults. How do you know that the juveniles assisted their mother in making this kill? For all we know, the tigress could have single-handedly (yes, tigresses also single-handedly hunt and kill bull gaurs) killed this bull gaur and then shared the kill with her cubs. There's many accounts of this happening. Just like male tigers do sometimes, they'll single-handedly kill a large bull gaur and then share the kill with his family. (01-31-2024, 09:22 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:(01-30-2024, 07:37 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-30-2024, 06:50 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:You’re splitting hairs, no matter how you slice it, it’s 4-500kg’s of Tiger attacking this Gaur, if they actually made the kill.(01-30-2024, 06:24 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-30-2024, 06:20 PM)Apex Titan Wrote: A bull gaur killed by a tigress:Her and her 3 18 month old sub adults. For all we know the Gaur died of natural causes hence the lack of wounds on the the neck or face. That works both ways, but the only way a Tigress is taking down a bull gaur is with help, plain and simple. There was a literal video of a Tigress and her young family taking down a gaur and with 3 sub adult Tigers that all can be around 120kgs or more at that age, you can be fairly certain they will participate in a kill. Save me the "many accounts'' There are no real accounts of Tigress or even Male Tigers taking down bull Gaurs, there are certainly Tigers feeding on them but never once has a kill been documented, especially when talking about prime Bulls. Generally what happens when a Big Bull comes across a Tiger, it is always the Tiger that gets chased off, not the other way around. Not saying they couldn't kill one but it is an extremely rare occurrence and would take a long time, it's no different than big Cape Bachelors and Lions, neither cat is going to take on a prime bull alone and easily kill it. 
@ganidat :
About #2363, vou wrote: " I think the true difference that allows a tigress to take down a bull gaur alone, whereas not even a male lion can take down a cape buffalo alone, " Numerous videos on youtube and on Wildfact show some lone male lions bringing down an adult Cape buffalo. Don't be lazzy, do the research instead of telling craps. The only one difference is that an adult gaur is heavier than an African buffalo. Having said this, these cases (adult male felids bringing down big bovids) are accomplished only under very favorable circumstances. " They also have the ability to stand, balance, and fight on their hindlegs, which the lion cannot. " Lion are perfectly able to fight on their hindlegs, once again make you research... But it seldom happens because a lone male doing that against two or thee opponents is automatically exhibiting its crump, thus quite vulnerable. " We know that tigers are far more agile than lions ". I don't. Oh OK perhaps, tigers are far more agile, whereas lions are faster and have more staminas ? We will never finish with stupid assertions. Seemingly, you just come here to test the forum against the eternal question "Lion vs tigers" (the thread here is "Tiger predation") in order to deteriorate and rot the debates.
Agreed @Spalea , lots of absurd claims there. Also I don’t think they understand how large a “60kg dog” actually is, now add multiple ones equipped with claws and large teeth to go a long with a 100 -140kg tigress all participating to take down a Cow, which isn’t close to a Bull by any stretch. The difference between a cow which is shown in the video and a big bull is massive, that goes for Capes too. Bulls are nothing but muscle mass, aggression and territorial.
The technique they are describing is hamstringing, obviously both cats use it and use it successfully, it’s something they can administer to a large prey animal to avoid the dangerous front end, but if an animal is too large and dangerous, the technique will get thrown by the wayside, not that it may never work but the odds are slim and success rate is even slimmer. Hence why there is no eye witness accounts of it happening to a big bull of either species from the cats mentioned. (01-31-2024, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-31-2024, 09:22 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:(01-30-2024, 07:37 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-30-2024, 06:50 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:You’re splitting hairs, no matter how you slice it, it’s 4-500kg’s of Tiger attacking this Gaur, if they actually made the kill.(01-30-2024, 06:24 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-30-2024, 06:20 PM)Apex Titan Wrote: A bull gaur killed by a tigress:Her and her 3 18 month old sub adults. This absolutely ridiculous, laughable and ignorant statement of yours doesn't even deserve a proper response from me. In spite of all the mountains of evidence, scientific studies and accounts that exist which prove otherwise, you still stated this nonsense. Unbelievable!! Quote:There are no real accounts of Tigress or even Male Tigers taking down bull Gaurs, there are certainly Tigers feeding on them but never once has a kill been documented, especially when talking about prime Bulls.  What a joke!
@Pckts
According to numerous observations (and common knowledge) made by field biologists, zoologists, naturalists, hunters, rangers etc, tigers follow the tracks/trails of their prey when hunting them. They even follow the animals when hunting them. So was this tiger following this large bull gaur to kill it or say hello?? According to you, practically all the tons and tons of accounts (as well as scientific studies) of tigers hunting and killing full-grown bull gaurs reported and documented throughout history by various major authorities, biologists, zoologists, naturalists, hunters, trackers, rangers, forest guides, are all likely utter nonsense and lies, right? For many decades, highly respected, experienced and qualified experts just reported fairy tales and fake accounts of tigers killing bull gaurs based on no evidence, right? So what was this tiger in the video doing? Since you're the "real expert" with a vast amount of experience who did one single safari trip 7 years ago as a tourist in India.  (02-01-2024, 09:11 AM)ganidat Wrote: GANIDAT Over here, we do rules. Respect and no versus attemps are among them. (02-01-2024, 11:37 PM)Pckts Wrote: Aside from Gaur being completely out of frame when the Tiger is spotted, so who knows how long apart it is. Following is making a kill? You're the one who makes conclusions without any shred of evidence to back it, look in the mirror. When did I imply that the tiger "made the kill"?? All I said is that the tiger is following this large bull gaur to kill it. Whether the tiger killed this bull or not is unknown. The tiger in the video is walking on the exact same path and heading in the exact same direction that big bull gaur is. Also the manner in which that tiger is walking looks like he's following that bull gaur. Now considering the fact, which has been observed countless times for many decades by actual field experts, that tigers follow both the tracks/trails and the animals that they are hunting, makes me adamant that this tiger is most likely following this bull gaur to kill it. And also considering the well known scientifically established fact that bull gaurs get frequently killed by tigers and that even the largest bull gaurs fall prey to single tigers, makes me even more adamant that this tiger is stalking this bull gaur to kill him. Quote:Agreed @Spalea , lots of absurd claims there. Also I don’t think they understand how large a “60kg dog” actually is, now add multiple ones equipped with claws and large teeth to go a long with a 100 -140kg tigress all participating to take down a Cow, which isn’t close to a Bull by any stretch. The difference between a cow which is shown in the video and a big bull is massive, that goes for Capes too. Bulls are nothing but muscle mass, aggression and territorial. Here's the context of the account/video that @ganidat posted. The tigress was actually training her small cub how to hunt and kill adult gaurs. Initially, the tigress 'Maya' single-handedly attacked and badly crippled the adult gaur and then let her small cub attack and maul it as she sat on the side and watched on! So the fact that the tigress single-handedly attacked and crippled the gaur to the point it couldn't even move and then chilled on the side and watched her small cub practice on it alone, just speaks volumes on even a tigress's incredible ability at killing dangerous prey like adult gaurs. The tigress could have easily single-handedly killed this adult cow gaur, but it was a training session for her small cubs. Here's the full description to this account by the eyewitnesses: "The moment we reached at Pandharpauni 1, we saw Maya and one of the Cubs swimming in the water then suddenly Maya came out of the water as she saw a Gaur (Indian Bison) on the other side of the waterhole. She eye-locked the target and started walking towards the Gaur … what a moment as one could really see the change in her body language while preparing for the hunt!.. "She initially attacked from the back and tore the hamstring so that the Gaur could not move. Then she attacked on the Gaur’s shoulder and neck, one could notice that she actually wanted to train her cubs and hence, she did not kill the Gaur but instead allowed her cubs to attack & hunt."...  *This image is copyright of its original author After hamstringing and badly crippling the Gaur, the tigress just chills on the side and watches her small cub get to work:  *This image is copyright of its original author Small cub mauling the gaur without the tigress:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author https://svasararesorts.com/latest-at-sva...e-morning/ Yes, bull gaurs, especially big bulls are certainly nothing but "muscle mass, aggression and territorial" like you said. Even immense size and strength. And in spite of this, they still get slaughtered and eaten by single tigers. How? Why?... Because tigers are massive apex predators and supreme killers that have a lethal combination of size, strength, power, speed, agility, weaponry and killing skills, that are specifically designed and built to single-handedly attack, subdue and kill huge dangerous animals like bull gaurs, bull buffaloes etc, and regulate their numbers. You only look at the bull gaur's physicality, but look at the tiger's physicality and what its specifically built to do! According to just my views or opinions? NO. But according to mountains of undeniable evidence and accounts reported and documented by various field biologists, scientists, zoologists, naturalists, experienced hunters, trackers, and forest guides for many decades. |
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