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The Terai Tiger

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( This post was last modified: 12-11-2019, 06:21 AM by Ashutosh )

@Pckts, @Roflcopters, A few months ago on this thread itself, I told you that when I went on a safari through Dudhwa, the guide and the driver were adamant that the biggest tiger is Kauva Ghatia male. They showed me his picture on the phone and I was just so taken away by the sheer intimidation through the phone (I have only seen tigers in Bandipur and Kabini).

Kaziranga definitely has giants and the insane competition for prey, food and space will ensure those dominant genes pass down. The terai tigers on the other hand need all their landscape to be interconnected. I have no doubt that the tigers from Nepal are just as big as some of the big boys at Corbett and Dudhwa.

As for the male that weighs 340 kilos, is that on full belly? Whatever his weight, he dwarfs that female!
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now that’s a question that i wonder about as well. was he full belly or partially full. it would be interesting to find out more. also @Ashutosh, you mentioned Bandipur. how long ago was that? did you get to see Raja? It feels like after Raja’s poaching scandal, Bandipur just fell off the map.
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(12-11-2019, 06:19 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: ...the biggest tiger is Kauva Ghatia male. They showed me his picture on the phonephone.

You should've kept a copy of the photo.
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(12-11-2019, 12:14 AM)Roflcopters Wrote: I am with you on that @Pckts 

the way it stands, both have similar prey option available to them. again same type of forest cover, tall grass and a perfect habitat. I feel like both groups rival each other more than any other group. personally if i had to choose, i would be in favor of Dudhwa over Kaziranga just because of that verified weight by the Wildlife Institute of India. however, i still can’t ignore the giants i have seen from Kaziranga. furthermore i think if a male from Kaziranga gets tagged, that would explain a lot of things. 


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Kaziranga male that was shifted to Manas
 

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just my two cents.

I wonder which are much bigger between the largest Central Indian tigers and these Northern beasts. But generally Northern Indian tigers look much more robust and have bigger robust skulls in relation to their body compare to the Central Indian tigers imo. The Northern Indian tigers also tend to have less stripes around their forearm region.
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@Roflcopters Nagarhole is where I saw my first tiger on my fourth safari. It was a female. She is called Tank Tigress or TT for short. What was weird was I had seen two melanistic leopards before I saw my first tiger! The tigers in Kabini are very shy. This would be 2015. 

The Raja poaching was just so weird because the snout was missing and then these grazers took out his teeth. But, all his body parts were intact. Since then, Bandipur has had other issues with wildfire concerns, man-animal conflict is pretty high (not just tigers) and lately it’s about the roadway that goes through it. 

What is commendable is that the wildlife department have gone about their duties in the background, and this was seen in the tiger census. Both Kabini and Bandipur have reached their carrying capacities (which means more tigers on the fringes, more movement in search of territory and more intraspecies death). Nagarhole’s plan to add 200 sq.km to the park has been approved, I am guessing there is something similar for Bandipur as well. Together, there are about 240 tigers in 1500 sq.km. (plus plan for additional 200sq.km). That is one of the best tiger densities in the country. The new challenge is how to ensure that space and corridor are intact. Considering these two parks have a whopping 6 different haplogroup markers of Bengal subspecies, it is absolutely imperative that their diversity is conserved for the whole Western Ghat-Nilgiri belt. 

On a personal note, I am glad that Bandipur has had this gap of exposure as the FD can go about their jobs without the additional focus on them because that focus will definitely be back on them after a couple of years.

@Rishi, I know. I was naive to think I will get to see tigers myself and I can take their picture then(I am horrible with a camera, though).
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(12-12-2019, 03:51 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: @Roflcopters Nagarhole is where I saw my first tiger on my fourth safari. It was a female. She is called Tank Tigress or TT for short. What was weird was I had seen two melanistic leopards before I saw my first tiger! The tigers in Kabini are very shy. This would be 2015. 

The Raja poaching was just so weird because the snout was missing and then these grazers took out his teeth. But, all his body parts were intact. Since then, Bandipur has had other issues with wildfire concerns, man-animal conflict is pretty high (not just tigers) and lately it’s about the roadway that goes through it. 

What is commendable is that the wildlife department have gone about their duties in the background, and this was seen in the tiger census. Both Kabini and Bandipur have reached their carrying capacities (which means more tigers on the fringes, more movement in search of territory and more intraspecies death). Nagarhole’s plan to add 200 sq.km to the park has been approved, I am guessing there is something similar for Bandipur as well. Together, there are about 240 tigers in 1500 sq.km. (plus plan for additional 200sq.km). That is one of the best tiger densities in the country. The new challenge is how to ensure that space and corridor are intact. Considering these two parks have a whopping 6 different haplogroup markers of Bengal subspecies, it is absolutely imperative that their diversity is conserved for the whole Western Ghat-Nilgiri belt. 

On a personal note, I am glad that Bandipur has had this gap of exposure as the FD can go about their jobs without the additional focus on them because that focus will definitely be back on them after a couple of years.

@Rishi, I know. I was naive to think I will get to see tigers myself and I can take their picture then(I am horrible with a camera, though).
I would love to try S. India if I ever make it back to India, the parks there are so underutilized.
They have Gaur, Elephant, Leopard, dhole, Tiger, etc. 
It always looks so lush and green, it really is a destination that most photographers aren't taking advantage of.
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(07-08-2019, 09:10 AM)Jimmy Wrote: In response to @Rishi, saying the male tiger in Kathmandu zoo is about as large as a German Shepherd, I will tell you my experience with it, i am basically 10 minutes walking distance away from the zoo and used to go often during my school days, there was a big male which was the most popular attraction, then that tiger sired 3 Cubs, One of those cubs survived to maturity, most of the pictures from Kathmandu zoo in google are from him (with  big cheek ruffs) or his father (big male which didn't had ruff but huge round head nevertheless). I haven't truly noticed the size of the son tiger but he is big also. The father was an absolute huge one, when he came out from his den every visitors, foreigners included were in awe of his size it looked like a lumbering cattle than a cat, and at a food time it would let out a loud growl at his handler, ( the roar is so loud that the whole enclosure just keeps vibrated a few seconds- it sounds like deep voiced  ghwaaaaang ghwaaang you can really feel that energy) this tiger can't be compared in anyway to a German Shepherd he is just gigantic, personally I find the size of the male tiger is almost similar to swamp deer and blue bull.



Wow he's huge and probably the biggest bengal I've seen on videos.It seems bengals of Terai blood can grow very large in captivity
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When you get a rarely seen tigress from Corbett National Park at a close range like this + you are the only one at the sighting then it’s a very special picture! What made the sighting even more sowxial@was that she is lactating ie has very small cubs. May their breed grow and flourish!
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Wildly Framed! - The T E R A I Tiger? - Untamed Dudhwa ?
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The dominant male tiger of Kishanpur - Sharda Male framed between his own kingdom. The tiger just came out from the Jhadi Taal after a drink and on his territory patrolling track before going down to the Sharda river.


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(12-23-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote: dudhwa_unofficial
Wildly Framed! - The T E R A I Tiger? - Untamed Dudhwa ?
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The dominant male tiger of Kishanpur - Sharda Male framed between his own kingdom. The tiger just came out from the Jhadi Taal after a drink and on his territory patrolling track before going down to the Sharda river.


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There's a barking deer between the two!..
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