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epaiva · 03-27-2017, 07:34 AM

(03-27-2017, 07:08 AM)tigerluver Wrote: @epaiva , No complete skull, but a nearly complete cranium and some mandibles.

The cranium is unimpressive by prehistoric cat terms. It is about 380-390 mm complete (which is on the large side for a modern tiger but not exceptional) and relatively thin for a tiger, though not out of range. Here's the vK cranium (the one on the far right; the mandible in the picture does not belong to the cranium):

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The estimated size is based on a 480 mm femur.

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The Ngandong femur, as well as the humerus which is of a smaller specimen, are very robust for a tiger and a pantherine in general. When just account for length, the Ngandong specimen would be around 400 kg if we take isometry (general equation is (fossil specimen/extant specimen)^3*weight extant specimen = weight fossil specimen assuming equal proportions) with the wild specimen I modeled above who would've weighed around 240 kg. When we take into account the add robusticity, the 450+ kg range for this specimen is rational.

I'm working on showing osteological comparisons of extinct giants and their contemporaries which will show similar comparisons as above.

@tigerluver

Thank You Very Much for your valuable information, it was Huge

epaiva · 03-28-2017, 06:08 AM

(08-09-2015, 11:39 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:57 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: A 17 inches fossilized skull of the Barbary lion, and I think we might re-evaluate the size of this animal, since it looks as large as the Cave lion.

http://www.dinolandplus.com/animal-index...gory/lions

@peter @tigerluver @Majingilane

The measurements are incorrect, check that the "17 inches" length was taken over the curve of the skull, not in a straight line like the measurements of Zoologists like Pocock or Mazák, among others:

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This is NOT how a skull most be measured. So, the 17 inches size is unreliable and an exaggeration of the salesman and the "Dinoland Plus" webpage.

Check also this: "WOW Unbelievable Entire Barbary Coast Early Unknown Extinct Lion Huge Skull 17” Long x 9.5” wide."

How is possible that a skull with a greatest length of 432 mm could have a wide of only 241 mm??? The largest modern lion skull ever reported measured 17 inches (432 mm) in length had a wide of 11 1/16 inches (281 mm), quoted from Rowland Ward (1914).

So, in conclusion, this skull is incorrectly measured, and as we can see, the size seems just a copy-paste from the report of the giant lion of Rowland Ward, which by the way, was not corroborated by him and is only a "owner's measurement" and is not quoted like record in scientific files.

This "Dinoland Plus" page data is 100% inaccurate in the size issue and only hence the myth of the "giant" Barbary lions, which in fact were no larger than the East African population.

@GrizzlyClaws

He is the same person that measured this Skull

GrizzlyClaws · 03-28-2017, 06:48 AM

(03-28-2017, 06:08 AM)epaiva Wrote: @GrizzlyClaws

He is the same person that measured this Skull

And what is the exact measurement of that fossilized Barbary lion skull?

epaiva · 03-28-2017, 07:26 AM

(03-28-2017, 06:48 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(03-28-2017, 06:08 AM)epaiva Wrote: @GrizzlyClaws

He is the same person that measured this Skull

And what is the exact measurement of that fossilized Barbary lion skull?

@GrizzlyClaws

I dont know but for sure it is not 17 inches long because it was measured over the curve of the Skull as can be seen in the picture

GrizzlyClaws · 03-31-2017, 11:24 PM

Bengal tiger

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GrizzlyClaws · 03-31-2017, 11:28 PM

Sumatran tiger

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epaiva · 04-03-2017, 07:03 AM

Measurements of Upper Fangs of Pantanal Jaguars

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GrizzlyClaws · 04-03-2017, 09:50 AM

So the largest skull for the Pantanal jaguar is 19 inches in length + width.

And the largest canine was 57 mm from the insertion of the skull, so that leads to a 100+mm canine in the entire length.

GrizzlyClaws · 04-05-2017, 07:33 AM

African lion

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epaiva · 04-11-2017, 02:55 AM

African Leopard Skull

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African Leopard Skull - male
- Length of skull 25,2 cm - wide if skull 16 cm
- Length of upper canine tooth 4,5 cm
- Length of lower canine tooth 3 cm

GrizzlyClaws · 04-11-2017, 09:40 PM

@epaiva

The largest leopard canine tooth I known was about 10 cm long, so do you think it could even belong to a larger skull?

epaiva · 04-11-2017, 11:30 PM

(04-11-2017, 09:40 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: @epaiva

The largest leopard canine tooth I known was about 10 cm long, so do you think it could even belong to a larger skull?

@GrizzlyClaws

My Friend I am sure it belongs to a larger skull, I will look in to the Rowland Ward Records of Big Game 1981 to see if it has information of larger Leopard Skulls and will upload a picture of it.

epaiva · 04-11-2017, 11:52 PM

Measurements of African Leopard Skulls

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Information from ROWLAND WARD PUBLICATIONS 1981
RECORDS OF BIG GAME
EIGHTEENTH EDITION (AFRICA)

GrizzlyClaws · 04-12-2017, 01:00 AM

That perfectly correlates my previous thought, the 10 cm canine toot looks to belong the skull toward 29-30 cm domain.

epaiva · 04-15-2017, 04:08 AM

Clouded Leopard (Bone Clone)

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- Length of the skull 19 cm
- Wide of skull 12 cm
- Length of Upper canines 4,5 cm
- Length of lower canines 2,7 cm

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