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06-10-2021, 10:51 PM( This post was last modified: 06-11-2021, 02:28 PM by AndresVida )
(06-10-2021, 08:47 PM)Pckts Wrote: You’re comparing two different positions not to mention one had humans behind it to embellish the size.
Yes the people in the jaguar photo I posted are farer than the camera but if you virtually put them to the same level the size difference will be basically the same to the one of the leopard i posted.
This is another pic of the jaguar with a person next to it.
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Imagine if the person stood up, the difference wouldn't be much if not non existent compared to this.
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Being more robust doesn't **always** mean being more heavy to be honest, I am a gym guy since 2 years and despite this I am more muscular than my class mate but just weigh as much as him, about 80 kgs, and he doesn't even do workout nor he is fat.
He is 1.83 I am 1.81 so not even much height difference
Ok silly comparison, just wanted to say that as you already know Jaguars even on same size are more robust than leopards and its not depend from individual to individual , it's how the two species are naturally built.
As example, I compared these two anatomy models and scaled both on same size and despite this, the jaguar is still more builky and robust than the leopard.
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That's because of their evolution, leopards adapted more gracile bodies to be the top climbers of the Panthera family and evolved as secondary predators, whereas Jaguars, as they are no near leopards in terms of climbing (which might be the reason why Jaguars have proportionally shorter legs to their body dimensions, also because long legs in rainforest wouldn't help much) and are apex predators evolved in a totally different environment, evolved a stockier and builker body.
Even the Mexican Jaguar or the smallest jaguar population, who overlaps even the largest leopards populations in terms of size, looks builker than most average leopards (but if we take note of 80–92+kg leopards I'd say they are the same).
The leopard needs a bigger size to look more builky.
Some leopards (mostly from Iran, Aberdares, Kenya and Kwa Zulu Natal) grow huge and muscular enough to match these jaguars, not the Panthanal, Llanos and Venezuelian ones of course they would get dwarfed by them.
It is the same with leopards compared to cougars, on same size leopards are more robustly built than cougars, who nedd to be bigger to seem much more robust.
Switch cougar with Jaguar and it's the Jaguar who is more robust, even at same size (same size = same weight).
That's how they are built.