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From what I understand both PCmales are alright. It was probably the Birmingham's that got the worst of it. Though it may also have been just some roaming nomad.
That no corpse was discovered at the spot shows that probably whoever it was came out alright enough to walk. In any case. The PCmales vs Birminghams fight is one that needs to happen. So lets hope this scrap was decisive enough to put a permanent stop to the constant half hearted take overs in the area. The Ximhungwes need the peace to raise their next litter and the Othawas could really use a break. As for the whole Ndhzengas vs PCmales thing. The Ndhzengas still have 4 members. Even with two of them ailing it still means 2 sets of teeth and 4 claws for the PCmales to worry about and 2 less directions to flee at.  (01-02-2023, 12:19 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Yes, fight happened last night :Since only evidence of a fight at this point are blood and pieces of mane, it could be PC males caught Tumbela male insteed of having a go with Birmingham/Nkuchuma males. (01-02-2023, 12:18 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: In the end, if all 4 or even 3 Ndhzengas show together to a clash, and dont get pick up 1 by 1, there is pretty much no way 2 PC boys can win that.Althrough I agree that Ndzengas stil should be considered the strongest coalition in SS at the moment, I do not agree 2vs3 is impossible to pull off. Southern Avocas competition against Tsalala males is example of this. If Ndzengas would compete now with PC males then the odds would probably be on their side, althrough PC males would have some chances to pull this through.
I think the Gijima demonstrated last year that the Ndzengas definitly aren't unbeatable. Even when they were at full strength and going up against a weaker coalition. Ultimately they are living breathing beings prone to fear and error.
I assume the fight is linked with the Birmingham's as it took place near where those where last reported to be roaring. But I can be wrong about that. 
@Tr1x24 I don't disagree that obviously numbers will aways trump anything but all I hear is that 2/4 Ndhzengas are getting worse and worse, one has his hindlimbs crooked and seems to not be able to keep up, the other one has that horrendous wound.
Lion warfare usually consists of coalitions chasing each other for several kms much more than actual fighting so I feel the other 2 wouldn't be able to keep up and in 2v2 it's completely reasonable to assume PCM will have the upper hand even if there's no way to actually prove it. It seems PCM are much bigger ( a Londolozi ranger even claims 1/2 healthy Ndhzengas is smaller than Kambulas and therefore he doesn't think he'll do well in a fight ) and more aggressive. Ndhzengas might be more experient as they are older but I'm not even sure about that since I've lost count of how many clashes PCM had with Birminghms. But again, there's no way to know, it's just an assumption, maybe even if it comes down to 2v2 the Ndhzengas might show us they are legendary warriors or whatever, who knows.  
As of yet, officially unknown. But most likely a serious alteration took place with the Birmingham's.
They havent found any corpses. Just blood and mane. So they at least managed to leave the area.
They seem to be wounded to a degree. And the blood and mane found is not promising. Though that they havent found a corpse yet shows they are at least walking.
I dont think its a golden rule that both sides have to be wounded in a battle. If those two got the jump on just one of the Birmingham's they could have done a lot of damage without being hurt much themselves. Ultimately we don't know. And have to wait for a sighting.  (01-03-2023, 03:36 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: They seem to be wounded to a degree. And the blood and mane found is not promising. Though that they havent found a corpse yet shows they are at least walking. Well usually the faces of killers have blood on their mouths almost like they killed a buffalo or something.
I think when lions inflict serious injuries to other lions, even in a 2v1 situation, the attacking lions will at least sustain some nasty cuts. We can observe it in fights from the past between other coalitions.
Although the blood and mane may imply a more serious confrontation my bet is that they ran after a quick fight and are fine, otherwise the PCM would be showing some more clear injuries. But anyway there's no way to know, we'll find out when the Birminghams are sighted again.  (01-02-2023, 07:20 AM)Mapokser Wrote: With 2/4 Ndhzengas in bad shape they're the strongest coalition in the SS IMO,We have seen Gore and WN roar as well in spite of their condition. PCMs would hear roars from a coalition of 4 lions and this is why I suspect they are not challenging Ndhzengas. So we could only speculate at this stage, I think Ndhzengas are stronger. (01-03-2023, 06:31 AM)Horizon Wrote:(01-02-2023, 07:20 AM)Mapokser Wrote: With 2/4 Ndhzengas in bad shape they're the strongest coalition in the SS IMO,We have seen Gore and WN roar as well in spite of their condition. PCMs would hear roars from a coalition of 4 lions and this is why I suspect they are not challenging Ndhzengas. So we could only speculate at this stage, I think Ndhzengas are stronger. Maybe, but rather I think they are just satisfied with their current territory which is damn huge, especially for 2 lions. Otherwise they'd be going north to attack the prides with lone males. |
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