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12-01-2024, 10:58 PM( This post was last modified: 12-01-2024, 11:01 PM by BA0701 )
(12-01-2024, 10:31 PM)sunless Wrote:
(12-01-2024, 09:44 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Cubs expected early 2025 :)
Really excited about the genes of this cubs as PCM have those beautiful manes and this Othawa females (correct me if I am wrong) have that big Matimba genes. I haven't put the Tumbela genes as I could not find a prime photo or video of them that I can reference on what a prime Tumbela genes would have, as 2 males died quite early and the last Tumbela male I would not say that he is in his prime state as stress and conflict as a lone male lion is taxing to a male lions body.
Yes, they do have Matimba blood running through their veins, from their mother, Sassy. In his prime, Skorro Jr was an average sized male lion, as he remains today as well, but a stunningly beautiful one. Between him and his brother, I always felt that Scar had the chance to become the most impressive of them, he was just never able to reach his potential due to illness. In the beginning Scar was the most dominant of the three. Limper was dealing with illness and injury most of his time with the Othawa Pride, and always appeared, to me, to be the smallest of them all.
It is unknown which of the Tumbelas sired the two cubs, it would be between Scar and Skorro Jr, as I don't recall Limper having been seen mating, but in the beginning it was Scar who dominated the mating.
(12-01-2024, 10:31 PM)sunless Wrote: I haven't put the Tumbela genes as I could not find a prime photo or video of them that I can reference on what a prime Tumbela genes would have, as 2 males died quite early and the last Tumbela male I would not say that he is in his prime state as stress and conflict as a lone male lion is taxing to a male lions body.
Tumbelas also have Matimba genes, as their mothers (Bboys sisters) are daughters of Matimbas sisters (Birmingham pride) and Old Birmingham males.
(12-01-2024, 10:31 PM)sunless Wrote: I haven't put the Tumbela genes as I could not find a prime photo or video of them that I can reference on what a prime Tumbela genes would have, as 2 males died quite early and the last Tumbela male I would not say that he is in his prime state as stress and conflict as a lone male lion is taxing to a male lions body.
Tumbelas also have Matimba genes, as their mothers (Bboys sisters) are daughters of Matimbas sisters (Birmingham pride) and Old Birmingham males.
Birmingham old male lions are fathers of the mothers of Tumbela male lions?
12-02-2024, 05:12 AM( This post was last modified: 12-02-2024, 05:16 AM by BA0701 )
(12-02-2024, 03:38 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:
(12-02-2024, 02:02 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-01-2024, 10:31 PM)sunless Wrote: I haven't put the Tumbela genes as I could not find a prime photo or video of them that I can reference on what a prime Tumbela genes would have, as 2 males died quite early and the last Tumbela male I would not say that he is in his prime state as stress and conflict as a lone male lion is taxing to a male lions body.
Tumbelas also have Matimba genes, as their mothers (Bboys sisters) are daughters of Matimbas sisters (Birmingham pride) and Old Birmingham males.
Birmingham old male lions are fathers of the mothers of Tumbela male lions?
No, it was the Thanda Impi coalition, Skorro and Sizanani, he was saying that the Tumbelas mothers were sisters of the Birminghams, and daughters of the Matimbas sisters and the old Birminghams.
(12-01-2024, 10:31 PM)sunless Wrote: I haven't put the Tumbela genes as I could not find a prime photo or video of them that I can reference on what a prime Tumbela genes would have, as 2 males died quite early and the last Tumbela male I would not say that he is in his prime state as stress and conflict as a lone male lion is taxing to a male lions body.
Tumbelas also have Matimba genes, as their mothers (Bboys sisters) are daughters of Matimbas sisters (Birmingham pride) and Old Birmingham males.
Birmingham old male lions are fathers of the mothers of Tumbela male lions?
No, it was the Thanda Impi coalition, Skorro and Sizanani, he was saying that the Tumbelas mothers were sisters of the Birminghams, and daughters of the Matimbas sisters and the old Birminghams.
Ok that makes sense Matimba male lions came from Birmingham. lion who was called Tinyo similar to Harry belly Matimba.
(12-01-2024, 10:31 PM)sunless Wrote: I haven't put the Tumbela genes as I could not find a prime photo or video of them that I can reference on what a prime Tumbela genes would have, as 2 males died quite early and the last Tumbela male I would not say that he is in his prime state as stress and conflict as a lone male lion is taxing to a male lions body.
Tumbelas also have Matimba genes, as their mothers (Bboys sisters) are daughters of Matimbas sisters (Birmingham pride) and Old Birmingham males.
Birmingham old male lions are fathers of the mothers of Tumbela male lions?
No, it was the Thanda Impi coalition, Skorro and Sizanani, he was saying that the Tumbelas mothers were sisters of the Birminghams, and daughters of the Matimbas sisters and the old Birminghams.
Ok that makes sense Matimba male lions came from Birmingham. lion who was called Tinyo similar to Harry belly Matimba.
Hairy belly, Tinyo and Zigzag Mbiri all have that amazingly unique mane with big elbow pouffs.I wonder if they all have the same mother?
(12-01-2024, 09:44 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Cubs expected early 2025 :)
Really excited about the genes of this cubs as PCM have those beautiful manes and this Othawa females (correct me if I am wrong) have that big Matimba genes. I haven't put the Tumbela genes as I could not find a prime photo or video of them that I can reference on what a prime Tumbela genes would have, as 2 males died quite early and the last Tumbela male I would not say that he is in his prime state as stress and conflict as a lone male lion is taxing to a male lions body.
In a way prime Tumbelas appeareance would be Thanda Impi males in top condition. I almost wrote Skorro Thanda Impi, but Sizanani's genes might very likely get passed on through Othawas as well, as we can only guess who exactly sired whom (both in case Tumbelas and these generation of Othawas). And as Skorro and Sizanani were not closely related (unrelated but who really is in closed ecosystem) than any of their two "looks" might (partially) pop out in future Othawa's generations.
Just keep the smaller PCM away from this. I hope this is true, but I also am skeptical, because where these PCM's are concerned, they are just horrible.
Ideally the smaller PCM should stay in this and mate as much as possible, otherwise he'd likely kill the cubs.
But it looks like that apart from that time with the Nkuhuma pride, he doesn't have what it takes to give a good competition to Makhunga who claims the lion's share in every mating opportunity they have.
(01-25-2025, 09:02 PM)Mapokser Wrote: otherwise he'd likely kill the cubs.
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(01-25-2025, 09:02 PM)Mapokser Wrote: But it looks like that apart from that time with the Nkuhuma pride, he doesn't have what it takes to give a good competition to Makhunga who claims the lion's share in every mating opportunity they have.
Conspiracies about the smaller PCmale aside. I am not too optimistic abouf their chances of raising this first liter.
The PCmales will likely abandon the pride once the mating is done, leaving the girls exposed.
The othawas may follow the males to the Ximhungwes or the males may lead the Ximhungwes to them.
And that is on top of there being nobody in the pride with actual experience as a mother.
(01-25-2025, 10:59 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Conspiracies about the smaller PCmale aside. I am not too optimistic abouf their chances of raising this first liter.
The PCmales will likely abandon the pride once the mating is done, leaving the girls exposed.
The othawas may follow the males to the Ximhungwes or the males may lead the Ximhungwes to them.
And that is on top of there being nobody in the pride with actual experience as a mother.
I hate adding a like to this post, but it's just too true.
