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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)
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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)
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OLD TIGER HUNTING MOVIES NEPAL AND INDIA AND A SPOKEN COPY OF 'MAN-EATERS OF KUMAON' (J. Corbett)
Tiger hunting was very popular in the days of the British Raj. Same for the period directly after WWII (1945-1970). Maharajahs, hunters and countless others have written thousands of books about tiger hunting. One would needs many years to read them all to get an idea about that period. In the thirties of the last century, some Maharajahs started to film some hunts. Hunters followed. The result is there are hundreds of films. Most were lost, but some made it all the way to the new century. Some of them can be found on You Tube. Although not that interesting, most have some value. The reason is they offer a kind of insight into a different period. If we forget about opinions for a moment, they can be seen as moving postcards. We could decide to throw them away and we could decide to keep them for those interested. This post has 7 films I found on You Tube. I will try to find more. If one of you has more, feel free to post the link. Most of you probably read one or two books about tiger hunting. The most popular book could be 'Man-Eaters of Kumaon', written by Jim Corbett. I read it more than once. Later, I saw a movie about Corbett which was broadcasted by the BBC. It wasn't too bad, but the book was way better. I remember reading from it for someone interested in good stories, but unable to read English. There's no need to do it myself anymore, as a soundtrack was made. Someone posted a copy on You Tube. It tops my list by far. If interested, go to no. 3. 1 - The Queen and tiger in Kathmandu (06:29), 1961: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4CmB9c852s 2 - Indian tiger hunting in the days of yore (01:08): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQd_Usvgvmw 3 - Tiger hunting (01:48:31) - for those who didn't read 'Maneaters of Kumaon' (Jim Corbett): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z3TCPltDK4 4 - Britishers hunt tigers, rare archival footage (01:49) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djcO6SZSP7k 5 - Old India: Maharajah on tiger hunt in 1938 (02:29): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NnuPk4-0Ak 6 - A tiger hunt in Bengal, 1950s (09:14): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WheVwYQHsAM 7 - Tiger Shikar in India, A Tiger Hunt in India with Ellis Dungan (09:34) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmYznJ88lY4 8 - Leopard and Tiger Hunt (07:47) - Narsapur, India (1930): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21LeOxQIum8 9 - Trapping of a Man-Eating Tiger (02:22) - British Malaysia (I don't think they were man-eaters, but the film has two wild tigers from that region anyhow): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYR3iEka2BI
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I largely rewrote post 971. Read it when you can and tell me what you think. 
Amur tigress and Sumatran tigress
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The images of the Amur and Sumatran tigresess of @"GrizzlyClaw" are incredible.
Check that the size difference is not very large, and this is because if we take a look to the skull measurements, the differences is not so dramatic like in males. Kitchener (1996) mentioned this and I can corroborate it. In fact, I found that one of the smallest tiger skulls is a female Caspian tigress, with just 255 mm in GSL, not diferent than the smallest Sumatran-Java-Bali tigresses. It seems that the difference in size is larger in males than in females. By the way, I read the new document about the tiger distribution in the Holocene and is incredible!!! There are a few "plot holes" in the story, but I am agree in most of the points. I will discuss it latter. 
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Dudley Zoo The female Sumatran tiger daseep and female Siberian tiger tschuna.
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Nice find @Betty and @GrizzlyClaws
Great to see them up close, makes it easy to notice the coat color and strip pattern difference to go a long with the facial structure and size differences. (10-01-2016, 10:01 PM)Pckts Wrote: Nice find @Betty and @GrizzlyClaws The Sumatran tiger was the hybrid between two different genetic subspecies, that's why they were noticeably different from other Mainland tigers. All Mainland tigers belong to one single genetic subspecies, but several different geographic subspecies. The genetic subspecies means two genetically very different subspecies, while the geographic subspecies means the genetic difference between the two subspecies is trivial, but it was separated by different geographic locations.
But there are genetic differences amongst mainland tigers as well, correct?
Yep, but it is trivial in comparison to that of the Sunda tigers.
And prior to the human interference, all Mainland tigers used to mix with each other under the natural occurrence. The Mainland tigers even naturally mixed with the Sunda tigers. When the bridge of the Sunda Shelf was exposed, many Mainland tigers migrated over there and integrated with the local Sunda tigers. The Sumatran tigers were a product of this occurrence. The Amur tigers are likely the hybrid between the remaining Wanhsien tigers and the Caspian tigers. That's why I am not sure if we should be too nitpicking about the 'genetic purity' of the tiger subspecies. 
Nice stuff @GrizzlyClaws and @Betty .
Both the tigers look young. At the age of 2 they show very good size difference, coat colour and stripe pattern differences. I think the size difference may increase when these 2 cats mature. Since bigger subspecies of tigers takes slightly more time to grow than smaller ones. The sumatran seems to have a more rounded head. How big are the Sunda tigers ?
"trivial" would be subjective though, right?
Because I assume the difference between races in human beings is considered "trivial" from a genetic standpoint. And their geographic requirements stimulated new adaptions which I assumed created genetic branch offs. Darker skin was adapted to protect against the suns rays, slit eyes were adapted to protect against high wind speed and dust (allegedly) and so on. And while a black person has no problem mating with white person or asian or hispanic etc. They are genetically different, I assume. I'm sure if you go back long enough, you will find common ancestors for all tigers but they still adapted to their geographic requirements overs 1000s of years and if we were to go around breeding indian bengals with amurs it may not be an issue over 1000s of years but I think you would set the sub species back by doing so. Is it the worst thing in the world? Absolutely not, protecting tigers as a whole or any big cat should out weigh a single sub species but if we have the opportunity to protect and maintain genetic traits, I think that would be best. |
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