Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions

[Yusuf]

(09-22-2020, 03:14 AM)Dennis Wrote:

(09-22-2020, 01:46 AM)Yusuf Wrote:

(09-21-2020, 05:27 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(09-21-2020, 04:31 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:

(09-21-2020, 01:07 AM)Yusuf Wrote: New Weight on Namibian Lions

This vid is a clip from BBC Natural History TV's 'Fierce' program. Note the tall, lean, male desert lion (visible ribs showing) in this brief clip, yet he still
weighed in at 217.5kg (after being tranq-darted/examined, as seen in the full program).

that lion honestly doesn't look that big..seen quite a few large lions,that isn't one..wanna see the full doc

It´s 217,5 kg. Here full documentary and when watching at least 31:00-34:30 there is weighing and interesting to watch overall when comparing size to people.

(09-22-2020, 01:35 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(09-22-2020, 01:25 AM)Yusuf Wrote:

(09-22-2020, 12:35 AM)Shadow Wrote: @Yusuf  You mention study, which would say that tigers get more fractures in fights than lions. But you linked no study and no quotes. If you make such claims, back it up too in some way. What study, by whom and when or the link.

And if you start to bring in carnivora discussions here in negative way, then this is wrong forum. Disagreements happen here too, but when you make strong statements, back it up with something else than talking about other forums.

Hello Shadow,

Eyes
So I think the claim that lions are more robust also agreed by Peter. The skeleton and overall body looks more robust.

Datas
I remember in studies only one Bone were the tiger has the advantage. It was the Ulna bone. The legs were very similar. But the lion had the advantage in the upper arms and shoulders. The back and skull of the lion looks also more Robust for me. 

I made a summary of many datas. 
https://justpaste.it/7li5v

A detailed post about the Shoulders is on my answer to PCKTS.

Fights
Here a recent fight. At 0:05 it starts. Also here again the tiger stores more fat in the belly and chest and has the bit thicker skin and more fat.

And Tiger vs Lion fight accounts can be seen on Wildanimalwarfare. You can see how much often tigers got fractures.

Here a another Account. 

*This image is copyright of its original author

Personally I don't like this topic about fights. Ok but I think I showed why this claim is true. And that aren't nearly all datas. Feel like a fanboy now... 

Best regards

So you have no study then?

I showed the studies about the bones. And also previous fights. And told you were you can find them.

There is overlap among lion and tiger humerus proportions and robusticity:

Look at the graph to the left

*This image is copyright of its original author

□, Panthera leo (N = 17) ◊, Panthera tigris (N = 19)


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1096-3642.2007.00333.x

Doesn’t matter the averages which are already very close - it depends upon the individual. Cased closed, they are almost the same. Only difference in bones is that tigers have longer back legs to front legs and longer humerus to radius, but robusticity is the same.

Good stuff but I saw it already. Also with stronger I mean every time slightly stronger or more robust. Between lion and tigers there don't exist a MUCH STRONGER.

But even from that data the lion has a slight advantage in my opinion. And if we look at the other datas than the lion has again a slight advantage but not much for sure. Mean they are similar.

I have even a study were a 170 kg lion had the same TIBIA strength with a 230 kg Sibirian Tiger. But I was upon one individual's but anyways it's interesting but not conclusive.

I think the biggest strength and size differences on lion and tigers are on the SHOULDERS. Lions seem to have bigger shoulders. Tigers are about 230mm and Lions 255mm. With other datas they have 20-30 mm size advantage. Also the Shoudler strength is more on the lion. The advantage is not big but a bit noticable.

So here are weights that can be included to the south Africa lions. These lions were shot in this area. 

477 lbs (216.3 kg, Empty Stomach) male lion September, 1935, The field, Durban. Another weighed 395 lbs (179.1 kg)
Another South African lion of 272 kg (600 lbs, White 1912)
Kruger lions, Umfolozi game reserve lions/south Africa (n=1): 193 kg,
   

Personally 272 kg should be a fair max weight for lions. Many are reported. Also some reached even 280 kg with 100% confirmation but with stomach content.

With Guates Table the Average is for 93 S. Lions 193 kg. Excluding the 120 kg lion then its 194 kg. So a weight of 190-195 kg on average for a Kruger Lion should be fair.

Are these sources in Guates Table included? Because I didnt saw them. Reply