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Ngati lioness got separated. 




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A good sighting of the white young Birmingham male "Xakubasa" 
Greater Kruger National Park 
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(07-20-2023, 06:26 PM)Potato Wrote: The male described by guides as Birmingham breakaway I think is actually young Avoca male.





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Hello I had a few questions on Timbavati dynamics:
Going through some older posts I came across info about 2 Xikiukutsu lions who were supposedly coalition partners of Mapoza? Where are they now since no mention of them in recent threads?
There were 2 sets of Monwana males right? The older ones are BDM sons while the youngers are Trilogy sons
One of the BDM sons died around 2021 right? His brother is the limping Monwana right? What happened to the Trilogy Monwana then?
Also are there only 2 lion prides in Klaserie: Klaserie River Pride of Hosi and Socha and the Sark Breakaway pride which sometimes visits Klaserie?
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(07-21-2023, 03:22 PM)Mabande Wrote: I came across info about 2 Xikiukutsu lions who were supposedly coalition partners of Mapoza? Where are they now since no mention of them in recent threads?

The Xikukutzu males entered a private area known as Sandringham with the Black Dam pride about 15 months or so ago. This area doesn’t get any sightings so seeing or hearing of them will be extremely rare.
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(07-21-2023, 03:22 PM)Mabande Wrote: There were 2 sets of Monwana males right? The older ones are BDM sons while the youngers are Trilogy sons


One of the BDM sons died around 2021 right? His brother is the limping Monwana right? What happened to the Trilogy Monwana then?
Also are there only 2 lion prides in Klaserie: Klaserie River Pride of Hosi and Socha and the Sark Breakaway pride which sometimes visits Klaserie?

The last of the monwana male sons of trilogy was partnered with the Guernsey YM for a time period but killed last year by the Black Dam Males.

The partner to the Limping Monwana is actually his half brother also sired by the Black Dam Male
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(07-21-2023, 03:29 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(07-21-2023, 03:22 PM)Mabande Wrote: I came across info about 2 Xikiukutsu lions who were supposedly coalition partners of Mapoza? Where are they now since no mention of them in recent threads?

The Xikukutzu males entered a private area known as Sandringham with the Black Dam pride about 15 months or so ago.    This area doesn’t get any sightings so seeing or hearing of them will be extremely rare.

It was also discovered back when the Giraffe Male crossed into Sandrigham with some members of the BD pride, it was some time ago but if memory serves correct I think it was @Tr1x24 who found the information, but Sandrigham has a history of poaching. However, @"Timbavati" discovered some time after that, that Sandrigham was actually up for sale. Not sure what ever came from that, but I do hope it is sold to someone that wishes to care for, and potentially profit from, the creatures that live there, and not profit from their demise.
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One of three River pride males at Ingwelala.
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1/2 Hoedspruit males 

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One of the Vuyela male [number #1] photographed a few years ago in the Klaserie Private Nature Reserve. The Vuyela males were known for being excellent Giraffe hunters.
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The same Vuyela male [number #1] photographed earlier this year.
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The dark-maned Ross male was seen mating with the Birmingham breakaway female [Stompie]
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(07-23-2023, 10:27 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The dark-maned Ross male was seen mating with the Birmingham breakaway female [Stompie]

Perhaps I missed some updates, but last I knew Fabio and Tyson still control the core of the main Birmingham Pride and the original Birmingham Breakaway (fathers of the 6 Birmingham Breakaway coalition), while the Mbiri boys control a second Birmingham Satellite group that includes the white lioness. Is this still how things stand today?

Also, a semi-related question, I have not heard much on BYM and TYM, have there been any recent updates? I was afraid we might lose hearing updates on a regular basis, when they went into Kruger.
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(07-23-2023, 11:02 PM)BA0701 Wrote:
(07-23-2023, 10:27 PM)Timbavati Wrote: The dark-maned Ross male was seen mating with the Birmingham breakaway female [Stompie]

Perhaps I missed some updates, but last I knew Fabio and Tyson still control the core of the main Birmingham Pride and the original Birmingham Breakaway (fathers of the 6 Birmingham Breakaway coalition), while the Mbiri boys control a second Birmingham Satellite group that includes the white lioness. Is this still how things stand today?

Also, a semi-related question, I have not heard much on BYM and TYM, have there been any recent updates? I was afraid we might lose hearing updates on a regular basis, when they went into Kruger.

That’s pretty correct my friend. Ross males still holds the Birmingham main pride and the Breakaway. 

Last update of the Mongawane males [Torchwood and BYM] was in Feb this year…
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A fantastic capture of the River pride of the Klaserie seen at Klaserie Private Nature Reserve
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