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Lions of Timbavati
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Some sightings of the Mondawane Pride in Tunda Tula
Credits to Chad Cocking 1) All members of the Pride (3 members) killed a Male Kudu (september 30th). 2) they stole a zebra kill from the river pride (october 21th) next night they were found on a Buffalo kill on Nkhari, but when the 10 Young Mayambula Pride arrived, they run away. 3)the Pride pushed a herd of 300 buffalo to North, they tried do bringing down a Buffalo but failed, they were found resting not 150m of the Sark Breakaway pride, they killed something next evening since they were found with Full bellies(november 4th). I'm not sure if the dates are correct, I'm basing it on when they were posted on Facebook by tunda Tula Links: https://www.tandatula.com/the-few-weeks-...in-photos/ https://www.tandatula.com/a-week-of-feas...-photos-2/ https://www.tandatula.com/a-week-of-summ...in-photos/  (11-24-2024, 04:21 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Recently Shishangaan males were tested and Casper + one brother were clean, while other 2 tested positive. Oh wow I didn't know we were privy to that information. Would be cool if someone of us had access to that database. If that's true it goes to show you that not every lion gets infected. I imagine all 4 Shish brothers have shared a few carcuses over the years. It is entirely possible 2 Mbiris dont have it and even more convincing as how they continue to age. Be in remarkable shape, and come back from the brink so many times! (11-23-2024, 07:00 PM)adamstocks16 Wrote: black spot Yeah the black spot we have spoke about here many times. It might be linked to TB or any other disease like Tick born illnesses. Bebesia is another big one and could possibly be cause of black spot or declining health in lions. Could also be any one of the dozens of disgusting tick born illneses lions can get. I guess we pay more attention to BovTB as it's kind of zoonotic as it can spread from Buffalo to felines? Ticks are so prevalent it's kind of natural so they don't get paid attention to as much. Could also be a combo of diseases like TB and Bebesia together or something like that. With Mohawk Avoca having those hematoma on his elbows was he ever tested? As far as I know he doesn't have the mark.  
Mbiris taking over the Birmingham Breakaway pride?
The smaller Mbirhi male steals a giraffe carcass from the Birmingham Breakaway pride. Not long after, two lionesses came to join him and they finished it off. This is the furthest south that we have seen the Mbirhi males on Ngala, and they have been spending a lot of time there with these two females. The larger Mbirhi male was seen mating with one of them, so we have our fingers crossed for the future!
Dunno if this is a good move by them, I was confident they were going to retire with the Birmingham core pride, seeing how they're turning 11yo now, but if we look at their past, they have always abandoned their pride when the cubs were close to 2yo and now the oldest Birmingham cubs are 2yo so they might start a process of switching prides and maybe even their territory.
Considering they aren't getting any younger and the competition in Timbavati will be insane with many huge coalitions of young males, of which weren't Mapoza's sons with some Bbreakaways after clashes with the Ross males? It's quite possible the missing Ross male was killed by them. I'd rather have the Mbiris retire with the core pride, raising all the current cubs, a new adventure given the current scenario may not end well for them, old lions rarely try to expand or take new prides unless they have great numbers, they lack that fire from before and understand they aren't as strong anymore... still, they have surprised me many times, so who knows, we may see these Mbiris at the age of their uncle Hairy Belly raising some Breakaway cubs lol.  (4 hours ago)Mapokser Wrote: Dunno if this is a good move by them, I was confident they were going to retire with the Birmingham core pride, seeing how they're turning 11yo now, but if we look at their past, they have always abandoned their pride when the cubs were close to 2yo and now the oldest Birmingham cubs are 2yo so they might start a process of switching prides and maybe even their territory. I wonder if the Mbiris may have played a role in whatever befell Tyson.  (4 hours ago)Mapokser Wrote: Considering they aren't getting any younger and the competition in Timbavati will be insane with many huge coalitions of young males, of which weren't Mapoza's sons with some Bbreakaways after clashes with the Ross males? It's quite possible the missing Ross male was killed by them. Not only was the Ross male said to be beaten by them, but the youngsters were then mating with one of the females too.
I mean it's not impossible that Mbiris were involved but I think it's way more likely the Monwanas were the culprits, we've actually seen them clashing and interacting with the Ross males. Mbiris for all we know have not interacted with the Ross males in a long long time.
What may have happened is that they ousted the Ross but attracted the Mbiris who ousted them. But most likely the Monwana just lost interest, not being mature enough to want to fully establish themselves, and without any dominant males the lionesses are now interacting with Mbiris. I'm not sure how Mbiri males' interaction with Monwanas would play out, Monwanas are 6, often seen with at least 5 members, one chased the older Birmingham Nephew and there's that report that may indicate one of them chased Shaka. Also 3 of them was enough to temporarily steal a carcass from the 2 old but in great shape Ross males, and now an unknown number of them very likely ousted the Ross males for good. It doesn't seem the BDM have any problems with the Monwana but they are often operating as a coalition of at least 3 males, are in their prime and doesn't seem to be pushovers like their southern brothers. |
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