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(08-18-2023, 10:32 PM)Mapokser Wrote: The inbreeding in these areas are interesting indeed. Hell the inbreeding in the specific Matimba line is crazy.
Mbiris had cubs with their aunt and mated with their Mbiri sisters. And Skorros, brothers of Mbiris, have cubs with the Mbiri's Mayambula daughters, their nieces.
In SS it happens too but nowhere as bad. I have a hunch tho that Kambulas will eventually oust PCM and take over Mangheni pride.
Very true but I have no idea where those kambula boys will end up they could take any territory they want in after 3 more months in my eyes BUT but I do hope the young female can join the tsalala female if she isn’t able to rejoin the pride
(08-18-2023, 11:21 PM)PumpkinCat Wrote: Inbreeding in the Greater Kruger area has been ongoing among lions for decades, and I think this is the result of a deeper complex problem. It's very sad, because for many years these lions would have had no choice in the matter as the gates were closed off.
That, and the fact that by the late 1800's, the wildlife populations were decimated by uncontrolled hunting. As well as the general game populations, predator numbers, Lion and Wild Dog in particular, plunged as well both as a result of the by now sparse prey and also by being the hunted themselves; one as a trophy and the other as vermin (wild dog still suffering efforts at eradication even after the creation of the Park). Two factors intervened; the creation of the protected areas and the Tsetse fly (without which the protected area might not have come about as the land could then have been suitable for multi use agriculture).
Anyways, I digress, most lions in the park now have common ancestors not all that far removed, the opening of fences between the private reserves and the efforts of making it a Transfrontier Park linking those in Mozambique and Zimbabwe could lead to introduction and spreading of greater diversity in the gene pool but until the protected areas in Moz and Zim can reach the same level of protection as Kruger, which itself as a huge problem, the positive effects on genetic diversity of having a greater traverse will be slow and limited as the lion populations of the added on areas were not that large to begin with. Kruger is an island unfortunately.
The last Nharhu male 'Skorokoro ' seen at Umbabat Private Nature Reserve - Public Page about a month ago on Ntsiri. He then crossed over into Ingwelala.
The last sighting of the Nharhu male was on 15th July.
Photo credits: HM Photography
(08-18-2023, 07:20 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: Why is there so much inbreeding in the timbavati/ manyleti area the Mbiris males with their fathers natal pride the tintswalo males with their natal pride the northern black Dam males with their fathers brothers pride which is their I think cousins the 7 avocas adding the 2 xikukutsu males and many other I believe
Believe it or not, inbreeding and line breeding are not entirely a terrible thing in nature. Not the best thi g that happens but it isn't terrible. For humans its bad obviously but animals not so much. How do you think most of these predetors that were nearly extinct are back from the brink? I wouldn't doubt that the gene pool in Kruger or Greater Kruger area are very close espeespecially if you go back 5,6,7, generations.
its not ideal having Dads and daughters inbreeding but cousins and what-not isn't terrible as long as their all healthy.
We do this in dog breeding. They Line-breed, inbreed, and also cross-breed.
(08-19-2023, 12:23 PM)Wyld@Heart Wrote: Two factors intervened; the creation of the protected areas and the Tsetse fly (without which the protected area might not have come about as the land could then have been suitable for multi use agriculture).
What is that fly? Is that one of those flys that burrow into the skin or something? They're a protected bug?
If you have followed the blogs over the years, you know that if our leopards are very active, it is usually because the lions are a little less present, and that was no different this week. Although we kicked off the week with a Birmingham Breakaway male and Mayambula lioness in the east, things got a little quiet after that in the eastern parts. The Vuyela males were exploring just south of our concession, but two pairs of these dominant males were seen in the central region in the middle of the week – as they usually do, they put on some good roaring displays for us. The week ended with news that the five males and the River Pride were on a giraffe kill in the Klaserie; one can be sure that after that feed, they will be doing some major territorial patrols to keep intruders at bay – we could already hear the Birmingham Breakaways calling more vociferously in the east due to the absence of a response from the Vuyelas. In the west, we enjoyed a great sighting of eight young members of the Giraffe Pride one afternoon, and they didn’t disappoint with their tree-climbing antics. A couple of days later fifteen members were found in the eastern part of the territory, the Hercule’s male was seen with a kill, and the week ended with what sounded like the majority of the members resting off near a dam in the east.
Monwana pride hunted in Timbavati and killed a wildebeest. Competition was fierce but all chilled together for a drink later the day and the following morning. Mapoza was in great shape and had another wildebeest calf kill 2 days later.
